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From: SJ Park <sj@kernel.org>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
Cc: SJ Park <sj@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] mm/damon: defensively skip zone device folios in damon_get_folio()
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2026 07:22:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260729142228.88390-1-sj@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <amlZ_6pnt2AC-Ppl@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 22:01:01 -0400 Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 05:50:36PM -0700, SJ Park wrote:
> > Hi Gregory,
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 15:47:11 -0400 Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > All DAMON physical- and virtual-address operations obtain their folios
> > > through damon_get_folio(). That helper already excludes ZONE_DEVICE
> > > memory implicitly via pfn_to_online_page() and folio_test_lru(), but
> > > this is inconsistent with other callers in mm/ which test explicitly.
> > > 
> > > Add an explicit folio_is_zone_device() rejection in damon_get_folio()
> > > so the guarantee lives in one place and covers every caller uniformly,
> > > consistent with other mm walkers that reject zone device folios.
> > 
> > Thank you for checking this and sharing this nice patch!
> > 
> > However, I'm not very sure adding a call that not really required for only
> > making it looks consistent with others is the right choice.  I'm especially
> > concerned if this will confuse future readers including myself.
> > 
> > If this is a hardening purpose, we have CONFIG_DAMON_DEBUG_SANITY for the
> > purpose.  What about using it with a good comment explaining why we doing that?
> > 
> 
> It's actually two fold:
> 
>   1) make zone_device more consistently handled across mm/
>   2) make these checks possible to abstract out later
> 
> In the private node work - every location that we'd need to filter
> folios based on private node membership is a zone_device check.
> 
> Where zone device checks are missing (like here) there's some other
> implicit reason (specific to zone device) that allows it to be avoided.
> 
> I pointed out in the sashiko feedback that DAMON depends on a check
> for folio->pgmap in the hotplug code.  This is all quite fragile, and
> we can see that at least one patch in this series fixes an actual bug.
> 
> It seemed warranted to go audit every service and add the zone_device
> checks to make it clear there's a zone device interaction - even if
> presently unreachable - should some silent, implicit filter change.
> 
> The goal is to come back around and replace these with something like:
> 
>     bool folio_allows_mm_op(struct folio *folio,
>                             enum node_states feature)
>     {
>         if (folio_is_zone_device(folio) ||
>             !node_state(folio_nid(folio), feature));
>     }
> 
>     - if (folio_is_zone_device(folio))
>     + if (folio_allows_mm_op(folio, N_MEMORY_DAMON))
> 
> If we ever get to folios having memdesc flags beyond page flags,
> this also gives us a single mm-wide location for these kinds of
> checks in the future.

Thank you for kindly explaining the motivation.

So, what do you think about adding the check under CONFIG_DAMON_DEBUG_SANITY
with good comments at the moment, and later converting to folio_allows_mm_ops()
together?


Thanks,
SJ

[...]

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-29 14:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-28 19:47 [PATCH 0/4] mm: reject zone device folios in more folio walkers Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:47 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm/damon: defensively skip zone device folios in damon_get_folio() Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:57   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 20:16     ` Gregory Price
2026-07-29  0:55     ` SJ Park
2026-07-29  0:50   ` SJ Park
2026-07-29  2:01     ` Gregory Price
2026-07-29 14:22       ` SJ Park [this message]
2026-07-29 15:14         ` Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:47 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm/huge_memory: skip zone device folios in madvise_free_huge_pmd() Gregory Price
2026-07-28 20:01   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 19:47 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm/madvise: skip zone device folios in cold/pageout PMD range Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:58   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 19:47 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm/mempolicy: skip zone device folios when queueing folios Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:59   ` sashiko-bot

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