From: SJ Park <sj@kernel.org>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] mm/damon: defensively skip zone device folios in damon_get_folio()
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2026 07:22:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260729142228.88390-1-sj@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <amlZ_6pnt2AC-Ppl@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 22:01:01 -0400 Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 05:50:36PM -0700, SJ Park wrote:
> > Hi Gregory,
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 15:47:11 -0400 Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net> wrote:
> >
> > > All DAMON physical- and virtual-address operations obtain their folios
> > > through damon_get_folio(). That helper already excludes ZONE_DEVICE
> > > memory implicitly via pfn_to_online_page() and folio_test_lru(), but
> > > this is inconsistent with other callers in mm/ which test explicitly.
> > >
> > > Add an explicit folio_is_zone_device() rejection in damon_get_folio()
> > > so the guarantee lives in one place and covers every caller uniformly,
> > > consistent with other mm walkers that reject zone device folios.
> >
> > Thank you for checking this and sharing this nice patch!
> >
> > However, I'm not very sure adding a call that not really required for only
> > making it looks consistent with others is the right choice. I'm especially
> > concerned if this will confuse future readers including myself.
> >
> > If this is a hardening purpose, we have CONFIG_DAMON_DEBUG_SANITY for the
> > purpose. What about using it with a good comment explaining why we doing that?
> >
>
> It's actually two fold:
>
> 1) make zone_device more consistently handled across mm/
> 2) make these checks possible to abstract out later
>
> In the private node work - every location that we'd need to filter
> folios based on private node membership is a zone_device check.
>
> Where zone device checks are missing (like here) there's some other
> implicit reason (specific to zone device) that allows it to be avoided.
>
> I pointed out in the sashiko feedback that DAMON depends on a check
> for folio->pgmap in the hotplug code. This is all quite fragile, and
> we can see that at least one patch in this series fixes an actual bug.
>
> It seemed warranted to go audit every service and add the zone_device
> checks to make it clear there's a zone device interaction - even if
> presently unreachable - should some silent, implicit filter change.
>
> The goal is to come back around and replace these with something like:
>
> bool folio_allows_mm_op(struct folio *folio,
> enum node_states feature)
> {
> if (folio_is_zone_device(folio) ||
> !node_state(folio_nid(folio), feature));
> }
>
> - if (folio_is_zone_device(folio))
> + if (folio_allows_mm_op(folio, N_MEMORY_DAMON))
>
> If we ever get to folios having memdesc flags beyond page flags,
> this also gives us a single mm-wide location for these kinds of
> checks in the future.
Thank you for kindly explaining the motivation.
So, what do you think about adding the check under CONFIG_DAMON_DEBUG_SANITY
with good comments at the moment, and later converting to folio_allows_mm_ops()
together?
Thanks,
SJ
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-29 14:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-28 19:47 [PATCH 0/4] mm: reject zone device folios in more folio walkers Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:47 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm/damon: defensively skip zone device folios in damon_get_folio() Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:57 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 20:16 ` Gregory Price
2026-07-29 0:55 ` SJ Park
2026-07-29 0:50 ` SJ Park
2026-07-29 2:01 ` Gregory Price
2026-07-29 14:22 ` SJ Park [this message]
2026-07-29 15:14 ` Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:47 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm/huge_memory: skip zone device folios in madvise_free_huge_pmd() Gregory Price
2026-07-28 20:01 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 19:47 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm/madvise: skip zone device folios in cold/pageout PMD range Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:58 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 19:47 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm/mempolicy: skip zone device folios when queueing folios Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:59 ` sashiko-bot
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