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From: SJ Park <sj@kernel.org>
To: SJ Park <sj@kernel.org>
Cc: sashiko-bot@kernel.org, damon@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1.1 1/3] mm/damon/core: initialize damos_quota_goal->last_psi_total
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2026 08:19:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260827151917.152675-1-sj@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260827145034.124718-1-sj@kernel.org>

On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 07:50:33 -0700 SJ Park <sj@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 07:17:37 -0700 SJ Park <sj@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 13:59:58 +0000 sashiko-bot@kernel.org wrote:
> [...]
> > > [Severity: High]
> > > Does this unconditional reset of last_psi_total truncate the measurement
> > > window for running goals that are updated via sysfs?
> > > 
> > > When a user updates a running DAMON context via sysfs that includes an
> > > existing DAMOS_QUOTA_SOME_MEM_PSI_US goal, this overwrites the running
> > > goal's last_psi_total with the current time's PSI value, without resetting
> > > the overall charged_from interval timer. 
> > > 
> > > Could this produce an artificially small current_value, causing the feedback
> > > loop tuner to falsely assume memory pressure is low and erroneously increase
> > > the scheme's quota?
> > 
> > When the entire context is committed, damos->next_apply_sis is also updated, so
> > this problem doesn't happen.  However, we allow commit_schemes_quota_goals
> > sysfs command to directly commit goals.  In the case, this issue can happen.
> > 
> > We could handle the corner case.  But I start feeling this is adding too much
> > complexity for the small bug.  As also mentioned on the original commit
> > message, the impact is transient and minor.  Users can also set additional
> > quotas or quota goals as guardrails.  I will keep the original behavior as is,
> > and just add comments about it.  We can revisit if a real user gets real
> > problem from the documented behavior.
> 
> While writing the documentation I found myself don't really like this random
> behavior.  Another solution is initializing the field as UINT64_MAX at new
> quota goal creation (damos_new_quota_goal()).  When the ->current_value for the
> goal is calculated in damos_set_quota_goal_current_value(), it can check the
> UINT64_MAX case and set the current value same to target value, so that this
> tuning round make no change to the tuned quota.  The last_psi_total will be
> updated to real value and make effect from the next round.
> 
> damos_commit_quota_goal_union() will also be updated to set the destination
> goal's last_psi_total to the source goal's value.  Let's assume the source was
> made with damos_new_quota_goal() and the last_psi_total field is not modified.
> It should be a safe assumption since normal API callers are supposed to use
> damos_new_quota_goal(), and don't reuse a goal that were updated by kdamond.

Maybe a better approach is drop the assumption and always set it to U64_MAX.
It may unnecessarily skip one tuning round if the destination was PSI goal.
The impact is modest, and make the behavior more deterministic.

> So the next round tuning will be skipped, but works without unexpected effect
> from the next round.  If the destination goal was the PSI goal, this makes the
> goal to skip next round auto-tuning for no good reason.  But that should be
> fine.  DAMOS auto-tuning is basically for long term best-effort, not short-term
> fully deterministic control.
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > >  	case DAMOS_QUOTA_NODE_MEM_USED_BP:
> > > >  	case DAMOS_QUOTA_NODE_MEM_FREE_BP:
> > > >  		dst->nid = src->nid;
> > > 
> > > [ ... ]
> > > 
> > > > @@ -1143,7 +1148,6 @@ static void damos_commit_quota_goal(
> > > >  	dst->target_value = src->target_value;
> > > >  	if (dst->metric = DAMOS_QUOTA_USER_INPUT)
> > > >  		dst->current_value = src->current_value;
> > > > -	/* keep last_psi_total as is, since it will be updated in next cycle */
> > > >  	damos_commit_quota_goal_union(dst, src);
> > > >  }
> > > 
> > > [Severity: Medium]
> > > Since the semantics of damos_commit_quota_goal() have changed to explicitly
> > > overwrite last_psi_total rather than preserve it, should the corresponding
> > > KUnit test be updated as well?
> > > 
> > > The existing KUnit test in mm/damon/tests/core-kunit.h
> > > (damos_test_commit_quota_goal_for()) expects the old preservation behavior:
> > > 
> > > if (dst_last_psi_total && src->metric = DAMOS_QUOTA_SOME_MEM_PSI_US)
> > > 	KUNIT_EXPECT_EQ(test, dst->last_psi_total, dst_last_psi_total);
> > > 
> > > Without updating this assertion, there appears to be a mismatch between the
> > > new code behavior and what the test expects.
> > 
> > Good catch.  I usually run kunit without CONFIG_PSI, so didn't encounter the
> > issue.  However, as I'm changing my mind to keep the behavior but just update
> > the documents, this is irrelevant.
> 
> So relevant kunit test case may also be updated.

And I found the current test is broken.  It is not really testing committing
PSI goal to PSI goal case.  I will fix it, too.


Thanks,
SJ

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-27 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-27 13:44 [RFC PATCH v1.1 0/3] mm/damon: fix wrong behaviors in DAMOS quota goals and sysfs refresh_ms SJ Park
2026-08-27 13:44 ` [RFC PATCH v1.1 1/3] mm/damon/core: initialize damos_quota_goal->last_psi_total SJ Park
2026-08-27 13:59   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 14:17     ` SJ Park
2026-08-27 14:50       ` SJ Park
2026-08-27 15:19         ` SJ Park [this message]
2026-08-27 13:44 ` [RFC PATCH v1.1 2/3] mm/damon/core: copy nid for eligible_mem_bp damos quota goal commit SJ Park
2026-08-27 13:53   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 13:44 ` [RFC PATCH v1.1 3/3] mm/damon/sysfs: set next refresh jiffies per sysfs context SJ Park
2026-08-27 13:52   ` sashiko-bot

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