From: wangtao <tao.wangtao@honor.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
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Subject: RE: [PATCH 0/15] mm: introduce ANON_VMA_LAZY for deferred anon_vma creation
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2026 01:46:14 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a90bcb0fa3a044588350e92a78258a09@honor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ahlzj--3Gm5pD9ge@lucifer>
> > Previously, I also considered converting anon_vma's rb_tree to a
> > mapletree. If one entry records a single VMA, the average overhead
> > could be less than two longs per VMA.
> >
> > However, unlike rb_tree, mapletree does not support storing multiple
> > elements under a single key. The key would need to look like
> > (vma_id/mm_id + pgoff). On 32-bit platforms, since 64-bit mapletree
> > keys are not supported yet, the remaining
> > 12 bits are not enough for vma_id/mm_id.
> >
> > Because of this limitation, I later started thinking about ways to
> > reduce anon_vma allocations instead.
> >
> > I will try to find some time next week to analyze the cow-context
> > design and code more thoroughly, and then write up a summary.
>
> Tao,
>
> This response is so full of misunderstandings it's not really worth me
> responding to any of it. You've even hallucinated an imaginary field which is
> REALLY suspicious.
>
> You've no mm expertise or history and came up with this in a few hours. I
> asked Claude to analyse it and it puts it at 75-80% chance of being solely LLM-
> generated from cow_context.c.
>
> I simply don't have the time to deal with this, so unfortunately I'm going to
> have to withdraw the suggestion of further discussion with you on this topic.
>
> I am working on the scalable CoW project and will solicit opinions of those
> with relevant expertise.
>
> We are not interested in your approach or analysis.
>
> Thanks, Lorenzo
You said discussion was welcome, yet when someone offered even a
small comment, you refused to continue the discussion.
If I had known you would be this inconsistent, I would not have
replied to you in the first place.
This will be my last reply to you. I will not respond again.
Consider the following test case:
Process P creates 1000 VMAs with mmap, named vma_1, vma_2, ...,
vma_1000.
Then it forks child processes C_1, C_2, ..., C_1000. Each child
process C_k keeps only vma_k and munmaps all other vma_i.
With the current anon_vma, reclaim walking each page only needs
to handle two VMAs (vma_k in process P and vma_k in process C_k).
But under the CoW approach, reclaiming each page needs to walk
1000 processes, then spend O(log(#remap_entries)) time to check
whether a remap_entry exists, and then O(log(#vmas)) time to
locate the VMA.
Both the code complexity and the time complexity of the reverse
walk are much higher than the current anon_vma approach.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-01 1:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-27 11:01 [PATCH 0/15] mm: introduce ANON_VMA_LAZY for deferred anon_vma creation tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 01/15] mm/rmap: introduce anon_rmap APIs for anonymous folios tao
2026-05-27 11:32 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 7:47 ` wangtao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 02/15] mm: convert anon_vma rmap APIs to anon_rmap tao
2026-05-27 11:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 8:55 ` wangtao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 03/15] mm: introduce anon_vma_tree_t for multiple anon_vma topologies tao
2026-05-27 11:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 9:00 ` wangtao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 04/15] mm: switch to anon_vma_tree_t APIs in preparation for ANON_VMA_LAZY tao
2026-05-27 11:53 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 05/15] mm: add CONFIG_ANON_VMA_LAZY and folio helpers tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 06/15] mm: add CONFIG_VMA_REF and VMA helpers tao
2026-05-27 11:42 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 07/15] mm: replace direct FOLIO_MAPPING_ANON usage with helpers tao
2026-05-27 11:43 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 08/15] mm: prepare rmap infrastructure for ANON_VMA_LAZY tao
2026-05-27 14:01 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 09/15] mm: implement ANON_VMA_LAZY rmap semantics tao
2026-05-27 12:15 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 10/15] mm: defer anon_vma creation with ANON_VMA_LAZY tao
2026-05-27 12:29 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 11/15] mm: handle ANON_VMA_LAZY in huge page operations tao
2026-05-27 12:21 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 12/15] mm: handle ANON_VMA_LAZY during migration tao
2026-05-27 12:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 13/15] mm: support setup and upgrade of ANON_VMA_LAZY folios tao
2026-05-27 13:02 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 14/15] mm: support merging of ANON_VMA_LAZY VMAs tao
2026-05-27 12:49 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 15/15] mm: enable CONFIG_ANON_VMA_LAZY on arm64 and x86_64 tao
2026-05-27 17:19 ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-27 11:23 ` [PATCH 0/15] mm: introduce ANON_VMA_LAZY for deferred anon_vma creation Pedro Falcato
2026-05-28 6:45 ` wangtao
2026-05-28 7:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-27 11:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 7:11 ` wangtao
2026-05-28 7:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-27 14:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 7:57 ` wangtao
2026-05-28 8:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 23:31 ` Barry Song
2026-05-29 2:20 ` wangzicheng
2026-05-29 6:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-29 6:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-29 9:41 ` wangtao
2026-05-29 12:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-01 1:46 ` wangtao [this message]
2026-06-02 2:15 ` Barry Song
2026-06-02 2:46 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-02 15:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 19:44 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-02 23:03 ` Barry Song
2026-06-03 7:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 19:56 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-02 22:27 ` Barry Song
2026-06-02 20:47 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-29 15:07 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-29 15:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-30 11:28 ` Barry Song
2026-06-02 16:07 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-03 2:59 ` wangtao
2026-06-03 3:12 ` wangtao
2026-06-03 7:54 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-03 11:05 ` wangtao
2026-06-03 11:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 3:50 ` wangtao
2026-06-03 20:25 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-03 22:14 ` Barry Song
2026-06-04 4:03 ` wangtao
2026-06-04 4:20 ` Barry Song
2026-06-04 7:35 ` wangtao
2026-06-09 15:26 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-09 15:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-04 3:10 ` xu.xin16
2026-06-04 4:10 ` wangtao
2026-06-05 9:38 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-05 10:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-05 10:56 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-04 9:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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