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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Herve Codina <herve.codina@bootlin.com>
Cc: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	David Lechner <dlechner@baylibre.com>,
	Ayush Singh <ayush@beagleboard.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	devicetree-compiler@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-spec@vger.kernel.org,
	Hui Pu <hui.pu@gehealthcare.com>,
	Ian Ray <ian.ray@gehealthcare.com>,
	Luca Ceresoli <luca.ceresoli@bootlin.com>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 05/74] libfdt: Prepare for metadata tag support
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2026 17:41:04 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <atcM7MFZTFXLbap8@gractus.seuss> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261019155659.4badecfb@bootlin.com>

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 03:56:59PM +0200, Herve Codina wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 11:58:17 +1100
> David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2026 at 11:48:34AM +0200, Herve Codina wrote:
> > > Metadata tags are tags carrying extra information, either global to
> > > the DTB, specific to a node, or specific to a property.
> > > 
> > > In several places (e.g. node/property iterators), these tags just need
> > > to be skipped. Introduce fdt_next_tag_filter() which wraps
> > > fdt_next_tag() and uses a user-supplied filter function to decide
> > > whether a tag should be hidden from the caller. Filtered-out tags are
> > > returned as FDT_NOP.
> > > 
> > > Introduce fdt_tag_filter_skip_metadata() a filter function whose purpose
> > > is to filter metadata tags; actual metadata tag filtering will be added
> > > when metadata tags are defined.
> > > 
> > > Metadata tags must also be handled when a DTB is modified. They have to
> > > be removed or skipped depending on the modification.
> > > 
> > > Here also, introduce fdt_tag_is_property_metadata() to provide a central
> > > check for whether a tag is a property metadata tag; actual metadata
> > > check will be added when metadata tags are defined.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Herve Codina <herve.codina@bootlin.com>
> > > ---
> > >  libfdt/fdt.c             | 34 +++++++++++++--
> > >  libfdt/fdt_ro.c          |  3 +-
> > >  libfdt/fdt_rw.c          | 90 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------
> > >  libfdt/fdt_wip.c         | 23 +++++++++-
> > >  libfdt/libfdt_internal.h | 10 +++++
> > >  5 files changed, 140 insertions(+), 20 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/libfdt/fdt.c b/libfdt/fdt.c
> > > index 7941632f..8c026f26 100644
> > > --- a/libfdt/fdt.c
> > > +++ b/libfdt/fdt.c
> > > @@ -323,6 +323,33 @@ uint32_t fdt_next_tag(const void *fdt, int startoffset, int *nextoffset)
> > >  	return fdt_next_tag_(fdt, startoffset, nextoffset, NULL);
> > >  }
> > >  
> > > +uint32_t fdt_next_tag_filter(const void *fdt, int offset, int *nextoffset,
> > > +			     bool (*tag_filter)(void *priv, uint32_t tag),
> > > +			     void *priv)  
> > 
> > I don't really see why a higher order function is more useful than
> > skipping tags you don't care about from the caller.
> 
> Based on discussion we had related to fdt_next_tag() during the series introducing
> structured tags, I has been decided that fdt_next_tag() will return all tags and
> callers will handle them.
> 
> With that done, fdt_next_tag_filter() doesn't make sense anymore. I have already
> planned to fully remove it.

Ok, great.

> > > +{
> > > +	int startoffset = offset;
> > > +	uint32_t tag;
> > > +
> > > +	tag = fdt_next_tag_(fdt, startoffset, nextoffset, NULL);
> > > +	if (tag == FDT_END)
> > > +		return tag;
> > > +
> > > +	if (tag_filter(priv, tag))
> > > +		return FDT_NOP;
> > > +
> > > +	return tag;
> > > +}
> 
> ...
> 
> > >  
> > > +int fdt_prop_remove_metadata_tags(void *fdt, bool force_inplace,
> > > +				  int prop_offset)
> > > +{
> > > +	int nextoffset, offset;
> > > +	uint32_t tag;
> > > +
> > > +	/*
> > > +	 * Only inplace using nopify is supported even if we could use an other
> > > +	 * method involving splices if force_inplace is set to false.
> > > +	 */  
> > 
> > As with earlier things, I'd really prefer to see this splice, based on
> > principle of least surprise.
> 
> Yes, splice will be done (already planned for unknown tags in the series
> adding support for structured tags).

Ok.

> > > +
> > > +	tag = fdt_next_tag(fdt, prop_offset, &nextoffset);
> > > +	if (tag == FDT_END)
> > > +		return nextoffset;
> > > +
> > > +	/*
> > > +	 * Look at all tags related to the current property. I.e. tags after the
> > > +	 * current property and before either the next property, a sub-node  or
> > > +	 * the end of current node
> > > +	 */
> > > +	do {
> > > +		offset = nextoffset;
> > > +		tag = fdt_next_tag(fdt, offset, &nextoffset);
> > > +		if (tag == FDT_END)
> > > +			return nextoffset;
> > > +
> > > +		/* Remove metadata tags related to the property */
> > > +		if (fdt_tag_is_property_metadata(tag))
> > > +			fdt_nopify_area(fdt, offset, nextoffset);  
> > 
> > The distinction between "metadata" and other tags doesn't make much
> > sense to me.  Specifically why would the tag being "metadata" make it
> > more of a candidate for removal?  What we need to know (for the
> > callers so far) is whether the tag is invalidated by changing the
> > contents of the property: I can't see how that would be related to
> > whether it's "metadata" or not.
> 
> All of this is going to be reworked based on discussion we've already had
> during the previous series (introducing structured tag) review.
> 
> The distinction was done because for "unknown" tags, downgrade should
> be done whereas for "known" tags it shouldn't.
> 
> Anyway, all of that is going to be reworked for the next iteration.

Ok, fair enough.  Should I stop reviewing the current version of this
series, since it will probably need a lot of rework based on my
comments to the first series.

> > > +
> > > +	} while ((tag != FDT_PROP) && (tag != FDT_BEGIN_NODE) &&
> > > +		 (tag != FDT_END_NODE));
> > > +
> > > +	return 0;
> > > +}
> 
> ...
> 
> > > @@ -332,10 +377,10 @@ static int fdt_add_property_(void *fdt, int nodeoffset, const char *name,
> > >  
> > >  	/*
> > >  	 * nextoffset it at the first tag after the node.
> > > -	 * Skip possible unknown tags related to the node in order to add the
> > > -	 * property after those tags.
> > > +	 * Skip possible unknown tags and metadata tags related to the node in
> > > +	 * order to add the property after those tags.
> > >  	 */
> > > -	nextoffset = fdt_node_skip_unknown_tags(fdt, nextoffset);
> > > +	nextoffset = fdt_node_skip_unknown_and_metadata_tags(fdt, nextoffset);  
> > 
> > This makes even less sense to me.  The tags following the node belong
> > to the node, until either FDT_BEGIN_NODE, FDT_END_NODE or FDT_PROP.
> > We need to skip all of them regardless of whether they're "metadata"
> > or not.
> 
> Yes, I will rework that part too.
> 
> > 
> > >  	if (nextoffset < 0)
> > >  		return nextoffset;
> > >  
> > > @@ -453,6 +498,12 @@ int fdt_appendprop(void *fdt, int nodeoffset, const char *name,
> > >  		if (err)
> > >  			return err;
> > >  
> > > +		/*
> > > +		 * We append data to the property. If known metadata tags are
> > > +		 * present, they are related to existing data and not impacted
> > > +		 * by data added. No need to remove them.  
> > 
> > You don't know that.  It might be true for the tags you have in mind
> > so far, but there's no guarantee.  It's a contrived example, but a tag
> > which gives "number of 0 bytes in the property" would be invalidated
> > by an append, for example.
> 
> We talk about known tags. "Known" tags are tags that will be added in this series.
> If other tags are added in the future, this could become incorrect indeed and should
> be handle when those tags are introduce (in the future).
> 
> Anyway, I will probably rework this part too in order to make things clear.
> 
> The idea was to keep existing known tags related to the property if not
> impacted by the append.

Well.. more accurately, because we know the tags, we'll know whether
they need to be removed or updated based on their specific semantics.

> > > +		 */
> > > +
> > >  		newlen = len + oldlen;
> > >  		err = fdt_splice_struct_(fdt, prop->data,
> > >  					 FDT_TAGALIGN(oldlen),
> > > @@ -484,11 +535,16 @@ int fdt_delprop(void *fdt, int nodeoffset, const char *name)
> > >  	if (!prop)
> > >  		return len;
> > >  
> > > +	/* The property is going to be removed. Remove its metadata tags */
> > > +	prop_offset = fdt_ptr_offset_(fdt, prop);
> > > +	err = fdt_prop_remove_metadata_tags(fdt, false, prop_offset);
> > > +	if (err)
> > > +		return err;  
> > 
> > All tags from the property to the next END_NODE or FDT_PROP need to be
> > removed, regardless of whether they're "metadata" or not.
> > 
> > Also, rather than removing them one by one, I'd prefer to see the
> > total length of them calculated, and remove the property and extra
> > tags with a single splice.
> 
> Will be updated in the next iteration.
> 
> > 
> > > +
> > >  	/*
> > > -	 * The property is going to be removed. Remove also possible unknown
> > > -	 * tags related to this property. Keep the dtb version unchanged.
> > > +	 * Remove also possible unknown tags related to this property.
> > > +	 * Keep the dtb version unchanged.
> > >  	 */
> > > -	prop_offset = fdt_ptr_offset_(fdt, prop);
> > >  	err = fdt_prop_remove_unknown_tags(fdt, false, prop_offset, false);
> > >  	if (err)
> > >  		return err;
> > > @@ -522,10 +578,15 @@ int fdt_add_subnode_namelen(void *fdt, int parentoffset,
> > >  		return offset;
> > >  
> > >  	/*
> > > -	 * Try to place the new node after the parent's properties and unknown
> > > -	 * tags related to those properties.
> > > -	 * Unknown tags are reported as FDT_NOP tags by fdt_next_tag.
> > > -	 * Skipping FDT_NOP tags will correctly skip unknown tags.
> > > +	 * Try to place the new node after:
> > > +	 *  - the parent's properties
> > > +	 *  - the metadata tags related to those properties  
> > 
> > Again, the "metadata" distinction doesn't really make sense.  You want
> > to place the new node immediately before the first FDT_BEGIN_NODE or
> > FDT_END_NODE tag within the parent node.
> 
> Here also, will be updated.
> 
> > 
> > > +	 *  - unknown tags related to those properties.
> > > +	 * Unknown tags are reported as FDT_NOP tags by fdt_next_tag_filter.
> > > +	 * metadata tags are also reported as FDT_NOP by fdt_next_tag_filter
> > > +	 * thanks to the filter function used.
> > > +	 * Skipping FDT_NOP tags will correctly skip unknown tags and metadata
> > > +	 * tags.
> > >  	 */
> > >  	tag = fdt_next_tag(fdt, parentoffset, &nextoffset);
> > >  	/* the fdt_subnode_offset_namelen() should ensure this never hits */
> > > @@ -533,7 +594,8 @@ int fdt_add_subnode_namelen(void *fdt, int parentoffset,
> > >  		return -FDT_ERR_INTERNAL;
> > >  	do {
> > >  		offset = nextoffset;
> > > -		tag = fdt_next_tag(fdt, offset, &nextoffset);
> > > +		tag = fdt_next_tag_filter(fdt, offset, &nextoffset,
> > > +					  fdt_tag_filter_skip_metadata, NULL);
> > >  	} while ((tag == FDT_PROP) || (tag == FDT_NOP));
> > >  
> > >  	nh = fdt_offset_ptr_w_(fdt, offset);
> > > diff --git a/libfdt/fdt_wip.c b/libfdt/fdt_wip.c
> > > index 7ca3ffbc..b2f9f8d1 100644
> > > --- a/libfdt/fdt_wip.c
> > > +++ b/libfdt/fdt_wip.c
> > > @@ -31,6 +31,17 @@ int fdt_setprop_inplace_namelen_partial(void *fdt, int nodeoffset,
> > >  	if ((unsigned)proplen < (len + idx))
> > >  		return -FDT_ERR_NOSPACE;
> > >  
> > > +	if (idx < (unsigned)proplen) {
> > > +		/*
> > > +		 * The property existing data are going to be modified.
> > > +		 * The property metadata tags are related to the property
> > > +		 * data. Remove them.
> > > +		 */
> > > +		err = fdt_prop_remove_metadata_tags(fdt, true, prop_offset);
> > > +		if (err)
> > > +			return err;
> > > +	}  
> > 
> > Similar to removal, I'd prefer to see a calculation of the total
> > length and a single splice_region, rather than removing them one by
> > one.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Best regards
> Hervé
> 

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-20 10:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-26  9:48 [RFC PATCH v2 00/74] Add support for dtb metadata and addon device-trees Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/74] dtc-parser.y: Avoid an empty proplist Herve Codina
2026-10-14  9:25   ` David Gibson
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/74] Introduce v20 dtb version Herve Codina
2026-10-16  8:29   ` David Gibson
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/74] fdtdump: Introduce get_structured_tag_data() Herve Codina
2026-10-16  8:30   ` David Gibson
2026-10-19 13:17     ` Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/74] libfdt: Introduce fdt_get_structured_tag_data() Herve Codina
2026-10-19  0:24   ` David Gibson
2026-10-19 13:18     ` Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/74] libfdt: Prepare for metadata tag support Herve Codina
2026-10-19  0:58   ` David Gibson
2026-10-19 13:56     ` Herve Codina
2026-10-20  6:41       ` David Gibson [this message]
2026-10-20 11:14         ` Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/74] dtc: Move fill_fullpaths() into build_dt_info() Herve Codina
2026-10-19  2:12   ` David Gibson
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/74] Add support for FDT_PROPDATA_PHANDLE dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/74] livetree: Improve get_node_by_phandle() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/74] dtc: Complete REF_PHANDLE markers with ref strings and is_local flags Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/74] tests: Add basic metadata tests Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/74] Add support for FDT_PROPDATA_PHANDLE_REF dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/74] tests: metadata: Add external phandle reference tests Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/74] Add support for /addon/ keyword Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/74] tests: Add a test related to addon dt_flags header value Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/74] tests: metadata: Add a basic addon test Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/74] dtc: Introduce export symbols Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/74] dtc: Add support for /export/ dts keyword parsing Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/74] checks: Handle export symbols in fixup_phandle_references() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/74] dtc: Add export symbols (/export/ keyword) in generated dts file Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/74] dtc: Extend complete_references() to handle export symbols Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/74] Add support for FDT_EXPORT_SYM dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/74] tests: metadata: Add export symbols with local references tests Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/74] dtc: Add support for export symbols sorting Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 24/74] tests: metadata: Add a test " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 25/74] Add support for FDT_EXPORT_SYM_REF dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 26/74] tests: metadata: Add export symbols with external references tests Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 27/74] dtc: Introduce import symbols Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 28/74] dtc-parser: Introduce last_header_flags Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 29/74] dtc: Add support for /import/ dts keyword parsing Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 30/74] dtc: Add import symbols (/import/ keyword) in generated dts file Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 31/74] Add support for FDT_IMPORT_SYM dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 32/74] tests: metadata: Add import symbols tests Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 33/74] dtc: Add support for import symbols sorting Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 34/74] tests: metadata: Improve sort test to check " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 35/74] checks: Get 'chosen' node using get_subnode() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 36/74] dtc: Change get_node_by_path() signature to take dt_info Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 37/74] dtc: Change get_node_by_label() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 38/74] dtc: Change get_node_by_phandle() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 39/74] dtc: Change get_node_by_ref() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 40/74] dtc: Change get_node_phandle() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 41/74] dtc: Change get_property_by_label() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 42/74] dtc: Change get_marker_label() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 43/74] dtc: Change fill_fullpaths() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 44/74] dtc: Introduce orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 45/74] dtc: Handle orphan nodes in get_xxx_by_yyy() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 46/74] dtc: Avoid NULL fullpath for nodes in orphan trees Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 47/74] dtc: Handle orphan nodes in complete_references() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 48/74] checks: Perform checks for orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 49/74] dtc: Rename add_orphan_node() to plugin_add_orphan_node() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 50/74] dtc: Add basic support for addon orphan nodes in dts Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 51/74] Add support for FDT_BEGIN_NODE_REF dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 52/74] tests: metadata: Add basic test for addon orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 53/74] dtc: Add support for missing root node in addon device-tree Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 54/74] tests: metadata: Add a test for addon without root node Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 55/74] dtc: Allow parser_get_node_by_ref() to return an orphan node for merging purpose Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 56/74] tests: metadata: Add a test related to orphan node merging Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 57/74] dtc: Add support for orphan nodes sorting Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 58/74] tests: metadata: Improve sort test to check " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 59/74] dtc: Add support for references by path involving orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 60/74] tests: metadata: Add a test " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 61/74] dtc: Add support for namespace labels references Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 62/74] tests: metadata: Add a test " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 63/74] libfdt: Add support for applying an addon on a base device-tree blob Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 64/74] Add fdtaddon tool to apply an addon Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 65/74] tests: Add a first basic test for fdtaddon Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 66/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a basic test for addons using an orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 67/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a basic test for addons with unresolved phandle references Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 68/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a basic test for addons with references by path to orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 69/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a test for addons with properties identical to existing ones Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 70/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a test for addons using namespace label references Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 71/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a test for using 'stacked' addons Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 72/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a test using more realistic dts and dtsa Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 73/74] libfdt/fdt_addon.c: Add support for an external resolver Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 74/74] fdtaddon: Add a simple " Herve Codina

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