From: Brian Norris <computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] mtd: partitions: add of_match_table support
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:54:49 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151210205449.GL144338@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdUJXHs_OhT0da+kzc=D4MOFUT9BB3eJ+7a_p6DYx-PKBA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 11:15:54AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 6:19 AM, Brian Norris
> <computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > There have been several discussions [1] about adding a device tree binding for
> > associating flash devices with the partition parser(s) that are used on the
> > flash. There are a few reasons:
> >
> > (1) drivers shouldn't have to be encoding platform knowledge by listing what
> > parsers might be used on a given system (this is the currently all that's
> > supported)
> > (2) we can't just scan for all supported parsers (like the block system does), since
> > there is a wide diversity of "formats" (no standardization), and it is not
> > always safe or efficient to attempt to do so, particularly since many of
> > them allow their data structures to be placed anywhere on the flash, and
> > so require scanning the entire flash device to find them.
>
> I read the second reason, but would it be useful to (partially) merge
> block/partitions/ and drivers/mtd/partitions/, so I can use e.g. msdos
> partitions
> on an mtd device??
I kinda agree with Michal: is there a good use case?
Really, MTD partitioning is not a highly-scalable design. Particularly,
it's not typically that well-suited to large (read: unreliable) NAND
flash, where fixing partitions at the raw flash level mostly serves to
restrict UBI's ability to wear-level across the device. For that sort of
case, it's best if people are using UBI volumes on a (mostly?)
unpartitioned MTD, instead of using MTD partitions as the main
separation mechanism. Also, most partition designs (either MTD or block)
aren't very robust against bitflips, read disturb, etc.
IOW, I wouldn't expect MBR or GPT to work well on large raw NAND flash,
and so I don't plan to do that sort of work myself. If you can provide
some better argument for it, and some nice maintainable code to go with
it, then of course it could be considered :)
Regards,
Brian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-12-10 20:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-05 5:19 [RFC PATCH 0/7] mtd: partitions: add of_match_table support Brian Norris
2015-12-05 5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] mtd: move partition parsers to drivers/mtd/partitions/ Brian Norris
2015-12-05 5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] mtd: move partition parsers' Kconfig under a sub-menu Brian Norris
[not found] ` <1449292763-129421-1-git-send-email-computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-05 5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] doc: dt: mtd: partition: add on-flash format binding Brian Norris
[not found] ` <1449292763-129421-4-git-send-email-computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-05 11:39 ` Jonas Gorski
[not found] ` <CAOiHx=nz2bdA_R610ozsQHhccdcrHVVCamTtne5ReHrA-FcaaQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-05 21:33 ` Michal Suchanek
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2015-12-07 1:36 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20151207013628.GC20139-RXTfZT5YzpxwFLYp8hBm2A@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-10 20:43 ` Brian Norris
[not found] ` <20151210204324.GK144338-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11 15:58 ` Michal Suchanek
2015-12-12 5:51 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20151212055105.GA17011-RXTfZT5YzpxwFLYp8hBm2A@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-14 10:22 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
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2015-12-14 12:28 ` Michal Suchanek
2015-12-15 6:00 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20151215060056.GB3011-1s0os16eZneny3qCrzbmXA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-15 10:03 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-12-17 1:05 ` David Gibson
2015-12-07 3:07 ` Rob Herring
2015-12-05 5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] mtd: partitions: factor out "match by name" handling Brian Norris
2015-12-05 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] mtd: partitions: add of_match_table support Geert Uytterhoeven
[not found] ` <CAMuHMdUJXHs_OhT0da+kzc=D4MOFUT9BB3eJ+7a_p6DYx-PKBA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-05 18:06 ` Michal Suchanek
2015-12-10 20:54 ` Brian Norris [this message]
[not found] ` <20151210205449.GL144338-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11 8:44 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
[not found] ` <CAMuHMdV-uethsChWVZGSx1JNcAofODmg14ppGYJP2ewfwhEv1Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11 15:34 ` Michal Suchanek
[not found] ` <CAOMqctQVMCEa_k4xMW1qooEpe8X1-NhUOjD6pp0qJpDP_H+8hw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11 16:00 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
[not found] ` <CAMuHMdV2feXKWkJzRkMUBiAUCxp4LwaRgg+aPYwm0sUnKzm0Rg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11 16:18 ` Michal Suchanek
2015-12-12 1:33 ` Brian Norris
[not found] ` <20151212013349.GA86087-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-14 10:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-12-05 5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] mtd: add of_match_mtd_parser() and of_mtd_match_mtd_parser() helpers Brian Norris
[not found] ` <1449292763-129421-5-git-send-email-computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-07 2:45 ` Rob Herring
[not found] ` <CAL_JsqLV1mDpW9tD0XjWRxZSSsYuDiqHbuADQmBUtACgYiHJ+w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-07 18:13 ` Brian Norris
[not found] ` <20151207181308.GN120110-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-07 19:00 ` Rob Herring
2015-12-05 5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] RFC: mtd: partitions: enable of_match_table matching Brian Norris
2015-12-05 5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] mtd: partitions: add Google's FMAP partition parser Brian Norris
2015-12-05 11:35 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] mtd: partitions: add of_match_table support Jonas Gorski
[not found] ` <CAOiHx==8TFK9t4h2C0Q+j==nuRP3EbyVa+nuYuSEj_LCDa820Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-10 21:06 ` Brian Norris
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