From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (lindbergh.monkeyblade.net [23.128.96.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49E23191 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2023 00:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gibson.dropbear.id.au header.i=@gibson.dropbear.id.au header.b="gsAP5eBt" Received: from gandalf.ozlabs.org (mail.ozlabs.org [IPv6:2404:9400:2221:ea00::3]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE5D511B for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 17:09:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gibson.dropbear.id.au; s=201602; t=1697760594; bh=XX/RdGguz23P7yyARmxBQj9+mRc2KeDVfq7wdlJ99ck=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=gsAP5eBtxDwSwQgiS8ey/z2uBqkf3PgmWJLPziTsq4ddUl3Zeu1PeNbPKSRZObdHt CFRpDZD0D9FTIGUcI5se+T5WJZL4GnNIg3TYkGlP8Fb8BCzb40Fol5msVEvbxHJf5a gIZUXnptYcbAVWoI/S1kpHjiXAzo1xiZHFeAJrJk= Received: by gandalf.ozlabs.org (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 4SBQ2B2xXmz4wnx; Fri, 20 Oct 2023 11:09:54 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2023 10:33:07 +1100 From: David Gibson To: "Robert P. J. Day" Cc: devicetree spec mailing list Subject: Re: Definition of "should" seems inconsistent with idea of "deprecated" Message-ID: References: Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: devicetree-spec@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Eu5eEsZyVrvwKIL1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --Eu5eEsZyVrvwKIL1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 07:03:56AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: >=20 > Reading DTSpec v0.4, near the beginning: >=20 > "The word should is used to indicate that among several possibilities > one is recommended as particularly suitable, without mentioning or > excluding others; or that a certain course of action is preferred but > not necessarily required; or that (in the negative form) a certain > course of action is deprecated but not prohibited (should equals is > recommended that)." >=20 > It seems contradictory to suggest that "should" implies > "recommended" but, in the negative sense, it can also support I believe that by "in the negative form", it means when something says "should not".. > "deprecated", which typically suggests something that is *not* > recommended but is nonetheless acceptable. =2E.in which case being similar to "deprecated" makes sense. I will agree that saying "in the negative form", parenthesized, amongst a cluster of interacting clauses is probably not a great way of expressing this, and it might be clearer to explicitly give a meaning to "should not". >=20 > It just seems like that's giving off mixed messages. >=20 > rday >=20 --=20 David Gibson | I'll have my music baroque, and my code david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au | minimalist, thank you. NOT _the_ _other_ | _way_ _around_! http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson --Eu5eEsZyVrvwKIL1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEO+dNsU4E3yXUXRK2zQJF27ox2GcFAmUxvKAACgkQzQJF27ox 2GeVVQ//Y4kJILmMa3cS7Tg1MBs/IhBGPQ1iKVYUOyvCTJR1ya7DQyGjyXccoeqU RX0vnxVsnWWmV453eGob+07xltWynysViwIomHn8RkdXbOctVZ9UN9tqZt+A/OAC 9pnHlukZUWu//UFG1B5vuxWYfawvoYzZQs5w9TXt+ik6s1x1WTS3V2ssgDp+RM2n l9+LBxLcpzIwNaBiEkVqQbyfgSdOndC3CticmTGtMOQ1qtpi5ECvBIaa5WgjCwCV /meb3mmCWbfy7g3tYrzD+t2TjmdWtIxW9xQoOkNMM+O5DtTRrjOLt0SYWFPsf3Ll SitdVfhAYKrR7of50TuK8b0umBq4Yl2D7INvgwqMn625oOqG4ZJ6ujW823qR7eVS UvMvrmikm3ivnmALn6JPbUKL8CNJuzeo4wReyVn4KDeo7TWtcY3tOzIim1VPmaUV gw+3Rb36oyik9Xd6Ojdpao5k5x4e0JYxvBPo7Ck7QFxZtFtcQlIMSC6ZPut6S7CR flFl5sAbH7okv162wo2ZLkiChUpx9381qkuB3wpHrLKI5XgCEgvABa5ITF2UKDEa F/jsNhZINF5tKe4QheJs4prglzGhp2/e24SmQU0P1oNsYg4InSZ9KaB0rVXcQbu6 W+Y5DotG/U7SQayZqO+H0ElTrIUQJM3n3U5vqqnG7XfF6j4qpWU= =ESMM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Eu5eEsZyVrvwKIL1--