From: Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] Hybrid drives
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:01:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100718170150.GA11347@tansi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100717071313.GA7243@fancy-poultry.org>
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 09:13:13AM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just took a closer look at one of the (new?) hybrid harddisk drives,
> such as the Seagate Momentus XT, and now I'm wondering if this
> is a top level security problem. If I understand it correctly, the 4 GB
> SSD memory on the harddisk operates independendly of the drive itself,
> acting as a buffer/cache for virtually all the data stored to the drive. Some
> logic in the harddrives controller is going to serve the 4 GB SSD memory
> part, which is not available/accessable to the OS.
>
> In other words: such hybrid drives can not safely be encrypted with
> LUKS/dmcrypt (or any other WDE software), because the controller
> randomly swaps out 4 GB data to the SSD area, and even after shutting
> down the machine, parts of/the whole LUKS header/key could possibly
> be left on the SSD part?
There is only one risk, namely a keyslot with an old, later changed
key still being on the SSD part. That is a real risk.
However, it is only a risk if you change a key and the old one is
a security problem before the old keyslot in the SSD cache
is at least partially overwritten.
Keys never get written to disk, whether hybrid or not. Doing
that would be a massive risk in the first place, whether
hybrid or not so it os never done.
For plain dm-crypt there is absolutely no risk at all.
Arno
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Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-17 7:13 [dm-crypt] Hybrid drives Heinz Diehl
2010-07-17 7:17 ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-17 7:58 ` Luca Berra
2010-07-17 9:46 ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-17 11:05 ` Mikko Rauhala
2010-07-17 11:45 ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-17 13:27 ` Sven Eschenberg
2010-07-17 11:10 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-17 10:57 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-18 17:01 ` Arno Wagner [this message]
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