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From: Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] Efficacy of xts over 1TB
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:28:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100725152855.GA30894@tansi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C4C2D3C.40306@redhat.com>

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 02:25:32PM +0200, Milan Broz wrote:
> 
> On 07/25/2010 12:34 PM, Arno Wagner wrote:
> > This would be a reason to stay away from XTS, something may have
> > been subtly messed up.
> > 
> > As a side note, the XTS spec seems to be behind a IEEE paywall, which 
> > would be another reason not to use it, public standards need to be
> > accessible for free.
> 
> You should then suggest not use hardisks and storage technologies too
> because most of standards are not accesible for free:-)
> </joke>

The drafts are free ;-)
 
> Seriously, XTS-AES is FIPS140-2 approved and I see no problem to use it.

Well, I basically do not see the algorithm. Maybe searching for 15 
Minutes was not enough, but when something is hidden in Crypto,
I always become very suspicuous.

> Also read
> http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/toolkit/BCM/documents/comments/XTS/follow-up_XTS_comments-Ball.pdf
> 
> Yes, final version is not available but draft specification is still there
> (this is IEEE business, not hiding algorithm definition IMHO).

Have a link to it?

Seriously, I suspect XTS is fine, but not finding the description
and detailed security analysis online bothers me more than a bit.

> Just please note one thing, which is dm-crypt special here:
> 
> default "plain IV" is 32 bit only, so if anyone uses it on >2TB partition
> some sectors shares IV (IV generator restarts, opening it to to watermarking
> and similar attacks).

That was the thing with dm-crypt, yes. 

> Please _always_ use plain64 (*aes-xts-plain64*) if you want use it for large
> devices. (plain64 produces the same IV for <2TB.
> Available since 2.6.33, Truecrypt 7 already does that, thanks:-)

Ok. Will put that in the FAQ in a few days.

Arno
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-25 15:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-22 14:57 [dm-crypt] Efficacy of xts over 1TB David Santamaría Rogado
2010-07-25 10:34 ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 11:18   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 12:29     ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-25 12:25   ` Milan Broz
2010-07-25 13:14     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 13:52       ` Milan Broz
2010-07-25 22:37         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26  0:14           ` Milan Broz
2010-07-26 20:38             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-27  8:46               ` [dm-crypt] Using plain64/plain IV (initialisation vector) in dm-crypt Milan Broz
2010-07-27 10:47                 ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-27 14:17                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-27 16:08                     ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-27 14:15                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-27 15:45                   ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-27 15:55                     ` Milan Broz
2010-07-27 18:59                       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-27 19:37                         ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-27 18:58                     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-27 19:35                       ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-28  8:42                     ` Milan Broz
2010-08-20 21:11                       ` [dm-crypt] XTS cipher mode limitations Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-08-21  0:22                         ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-22 12:50                           ` [dm-crypt] XTS cipher mode limitations (FAQ additions) Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-08-23  0:46                             ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-25  9:36                               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-08-22 12:56                           ` [dm-crypt] tool to account the written number of bytes to a block device (was: XTS cipher mode limitations) Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-08-22 16:01                             ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-22 21:57                               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-08-23  7:14                                 ` [dm-crypt] tool to account the written number of bytes to a block device Milan Broz
2010-08-25  9:27                                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-08-24 16:19                           ` [dm-crypt] XTS cipher mode limitations Ramius
2010-07-26  8:53           ` [dm-crypt] Efficacy of xts over 1TB Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 20:47             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 21:01               ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 21:28                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 21:35                   ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 22:52         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26  9:42           ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-26 18:09             ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-27 18:16               ` [dm-crypt] Including the FAQ in the tarball? Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-27 18:23                 ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-29  8:17                 ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-25 15:32       ` [dm-crypt] Efficacy of xts over 1TB Arno Wagner
2010-07-25 22:48         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 23:42           ` Milan Broz
2010-07-26 18:35             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-25 15:28     ` Arno Wagner [this message]
2010-07-25 18:11       ` Milan Broz
2010-07-26  9:04   ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-27 18:21     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-27 21:02       ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-26  9:17 ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-27 18:42 ` David Santamaría Rogado
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-25 22:25 Ietf Nist
2010-07-25 22:41 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 21:07 Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 21:31 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 21:45   ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 21:42 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-07-26 22:55   ` Arno Wagner
2010-07-26 23:42   ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-07-27 10:21     ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-15 17:26     ` Uwe Menges
2010-08-15 22:10       ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-16 11:44         ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-08-16 12:39           ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-16 12:55         ` octane indice
2010-08-16 14:21           ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-21 20:45             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2010-08-21 23:14               ` Arno Wagner
2010-08-22  0:46                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer

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