From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.saout.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.saout.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id meRCm0WfHvS8 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:48:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from v4.tansi.org (ns.km33513-03.keymachine.de [87.118.94.3]) by mail.saout.de (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:48:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gatewagner.dyndns.org (84-74-163-71.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.74.163.71]) by v4.tansi.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E453A20571B for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:48:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:48:34 +0200 From: Arno Wagner Message-ID: <20120417024834.GB26417@tansi.org> References: <1334536105.71826.YahooMailClassic@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <20120416024321.GB22656@tansi.org> <20120416195332.GA2887@fancy-poultry.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120416195332.GA2887@fancy-poultry.org> Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] simple ideas addressing ssd TRIM security concern List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: dm-crypt@saout.de On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 09:53:32PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 16.04.2012, Arno Wagner wrote: > > > > Weighing out really is the most difficult part when you have no tangible > > > data: how much is it difficult to break a TRIMed and crypted device? > > > It is not difficult. It is impossible. > > If this is true, then why not use it and end of story? The assessment of the difficulty is impossible.... Arno -- Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: arno@wagner.name GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F ---- One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision. -- Bertrand Russell