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From: Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] The future of disk encryption with LUKS2
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:41:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160208164143.GB5543@tansi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56B7E07B.2000906@whgl.uni-frankfurt.de>

On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:25:31 CET, Sven Eschenberg wrote:
[...]
> Concerning disks, I thought with ACS2/ATA-8 real write barriers were
> introduced. On the other hand I've seen disks returning successfull
> reads with long zero-burst-errors undetected - no fun. I always
> wondered how a HDD exactly behaves when power fails, while a sector
> is in transit. My best hope is, that the CRC at the end of the
> sector does not match and an error is returned on the next read?

For these you should have intact data on disk, but
your data never made it there. If data after the zeros
did get written fine, there is a simple explanation:
Modern disks may reorder sectors in order to be able
to begin writing as soon as the heads are stable in 
the track.

Behavior on power failure used to be that the disk will 
notice the power failing early enough that it has enough 
time left with hood power to finish a sector-write in 
progress. I think that still applies. The zeros would 
then be sector-aligned and/or the data that was in 
those sectors before, hence the checksums are fine.

The thing is that in a typical PC, power drops relatively 
slowly and disks work non-seeking for a lower voltage
that the thresholds. Add to that that a single sector
write takes less than 1ms (probably much less), and
you get ample time to finish a write in progress.

Regards,
Arno

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-08 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-03 13:13 [dm-crypt] The future of disk encryption with LUKS2 .. ink ..
2016-02-03 14:02 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-03 14:17 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-03 17:07   ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-03 19:46   ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04  8:38     ` Milan Broz
2016-02-04  9:20       ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-04 10:02         ` Milan Broz
2016-02-04 11:01           ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-04 16:34         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04 17:23           ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-04 18:42             ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-04 20:51               ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-05 10:56               ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 15:08             ` Robert Nichols
2016-02-05 15:57               ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 23:51                 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-06  2:58                   ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-06  3:18                     ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-06 10:01                       ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-06 14:29                         ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-06 18:56                         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-06 19:09                           ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-06 19:18                             ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-07  0:09                               ` Lars Winterfeld
2016-02-07 23:05                               ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08  0:25                                 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 11:34                                   ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-08 16:57                                     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 20:19                                       ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 16:41                                   ` Arno Wagner [this message]
2016-02-08 17:26                                     ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 18:49                                       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 19:08                                         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 20:31                                     ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 20:51                                       ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 21:10                                         ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 21:43                                         ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 22:04                                           ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 21:08                                       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 21:45                                         ` f-dm-c
2016-02-06 14:20                       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-06 19:13                         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-07  7:09                       ` f-dm-c
2016-02-07 23:17                         ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08  0:40                           ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08  2:06                           ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08  2:46                             ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08  3:43                               ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08  4:32                                 ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08  6:09                                   ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 16:51                                     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 20:05                                       ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 20:11                                       ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 20:35                                         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 17:27                                     ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-08 16:48                                   ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 19:49                                     ` f-dm-c
2016-02-08 19:57                                       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 20:05                                       ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04  9:35       ` Sumaya1960
2016-02-04 10:48         ` Arno Wagner
     [not found]           ` <56B4AC42.7070408@gmx.de>
2016-03-01 12:50             ` [dm-crypt] LUKS NVMe M.2 SSD - save disklayout Sumaya1960
2016-03-01 18:18               ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-03-04 22:05                 ` doark
2016-03-10 12:13                   ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2016-03-14 18:23                   ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-04 16:29   ` [dm-crypt] The future of disk encryption with LUKS2 Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-04 17:17     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05  6:30       ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 11:02         ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 13:13           ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 13:31             ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 15:01               ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 15:24                 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 15:44                   ` Milan Broz
2016-02-05 19:45                     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 22:43                       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 16:50                   ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-02-05 19:53                     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-05 21:09                       ` Arno Wagner
     [not found]             ` <20160205133123.GA31320@das-labor.org>
2016-02-05 13:49               ` Zaolin
2016-02-05 15:15                 ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-08 21:51   ` Milan Broz
2016-02-08 22:36     ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-09  0:27       ` Milan Broz
2016-02-09  1:02     ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-09 22:08     ` Lars Winterfeld
2016-02-09 23:35       ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-10  0:20         ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10  8:37         ` Milan Broz
2016-02-10 11:47           ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-10 13:48           ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10 14:35             ` Robert Nichols
2016-02-10 15:09               ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10 15:39                 ` Milan Broz
2016-02-10 16:22                   ` Arno Wagner
2016-02-10 17:13                     ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-10 16:48                   ` Sven Eschenberg
2016-02-11  5:09                 ` Robert Nichols
2016-02-11  6:44                   ` Milan Broz
2016-02-14  8:20             ` Milan Broz
2016-02-14 21:32               ` Sven Eschenberg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-03-12 21:20 David Niklas
2016-03-16  6:36 ` Ondrej Kozina
2016-03-25 21:09   ` David Niklas

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