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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
	Milan Broz <gmazyland@gmail.com>,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	dm-crypt@saout.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Christian Schmidt <schmidt@digadd.de>,
	"Alasdair G. Kergon" <agk@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] make dm and dm-crypt forward cgroup context (was: dm-crypt parallelization patches)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:29:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130412182941.GF11956@mtj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1304121340350.3359@file.rdu.redhat.com>

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 02:01:08PM -0400, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> So if you think that reference counts should be incremented by every clone 
> of the original bio, what kind of bug should it protect against? If we 
> don't increment reference counts for pages, why should we do it for cgroup 
> pointers?

These things are called trade-offs.  You look at the overhead of the
things and how complex / fragile things get when certain shortcuts are
taken and how well contained and easy to verify / debug when things go
wrong and then make your choice.

Do the two really look the same to you?  The page refs are much more
expensive, mostly contained in and the main focus of dm.  ioc/css refs
aren't that expensive to begin with, css refcnting is widely scattered
across the kernel, the association interface is likely to be used by
any entity issuing IOs asynchronously soonish, and there is much saner
way to improve it - which would be beneficial not only to block / dm
but everyone else using it.

Something being done in one place doesn't automatically make it okay
everywhere else.  We can and do use hackery but *with* discretion.

If you still can't understand, I'm not sure what more I can tell you.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-12 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-26  3:47 dm-crypt performance Mikulas Patocka
2013-03-26  6:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-03-26 12:27 ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2013-03-26 20:05   ` Milan Broz
2013-03-26 20:28     ` Mike Snitzer
2013-03-26 20:58       ` Milan Broz
2013-03-28 18:53       ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-28 19:33         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-28 19:44           ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-28 20:38             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-28 20:45               ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 17:51                 ` dm-crypt parallelization patches Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-09 17:57                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 18:08                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-09 18:10                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 18:42                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-09 18:57                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 19:13                             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-09 19:42                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-09 19:52                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 20:32                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-09 21:02                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 21:03                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 21:07                               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-09 21:18                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-10 19:24                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-10 23:42                                     ` [PATCH] make dm and dm-crypt forward cgroup context (was: dm-crypt parallelization patches) Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-10 23:50                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-11 19:49                                         ` [PATCH v2] " Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-11 19:52                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-11 20:00                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-12  0:06                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-12  0:22                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-12  5:59                                                   ` [PATCH v2] make dm and dm-crypt forward cgroup context Milan Broz
2013-04-12 18:17                                                   ` [PATCH v2] make dm and dm-crypt forward cgroup context (was: dm-crypt parallelization patches) Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-12 18:01                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-12 18:29                                                 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2013-04-15 13:02                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-16 17:24                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-16 19:41                                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-18 16:47                                                       ` Mike Snitzer
2013-04-18 17:03                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-22 18:50                                                           ` Mike Snitzer
2013-05-22 19:48                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 18:36                   ` dm-crypt parallelization patches Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <5151FF82.6090405-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-09 18:08       ` [dm-devel] dm-crypt performance Mikulas Patocka
2013-04-09 18:59         ` [dm-crypt] " Milan Broz

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