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From: Joe Thornber <thornber@redhat.com>
To: Eric Wheeler <dm-devel@lists.ewheeler.net>
Cc: dm-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] dm-thin: Heuristic early chunk copy before COW
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:51:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170309115142.GA17308@nim> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.11.1703081005001.19383@mail.ewheeler.net>

Hi Eric,

On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:17:51AM -0800, Eric Wheeler wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> For dm-thin volumes that are snapshotted often, there is a performance 
> penalty for writes because of COW overhead since the modified chunk needs 
> to be copied into a freshly allocated chunk.
> 
> What if we were to implement some sort of LRU for COW operations on 
> chunks? We could then queue chunks that are commonly COWed within the 
> inter-snapshot interval to be background copied immediately after the next 
> snapshot. This would hide the latency and increase effective throughput 
> when the thin device is written by its user since only the meta data would 
> need an update because the chunk has already been copied.
> 
> I can imagine a simple algorithm where the COW increments the chunk LRU by 
> 2, and decrements the LRU by 1 for all stored LRUs when the volume is 
> snapshotted. After the snapshot, any LRU>0 would be queued for early copy.
> 
> The LRU would be in memory only, probably stored in a red/black tree. 
> Pre-copied chunks would not update on-disk meta data unless a write occurs 
> to that chunk. The allocator would need to be updated to ignore chunks 
> that are in the LRU list which have been pre-copied (perhaps except in the 
> case of pool free space exhaustion).
> 
> Does this sound viable?

Yes, I can see that it would benefit some people, and presumably we'd
only turn it on for those people.  Random thoughts:

- I'm doing a lot of background work in the latest version of dm-cache
  in idle periods and it certainly pays off.

- There can be a *lot* of chunks, so holding a counter for all chunks in
  memory is not on.  (See the hassle I had squeezing stuff into memory
  of dm-cache).

- Commonly cloned blocks can be gleaned from the metadata.  eg, by
  walking the metadata for two snapshots and taking the common ones.
  It might be possible to come up with a 'commonly used set' once, and
  then keep using it for all future snaps.

- Doing speculative work like this makes it harder to predict
  performance.  At the moment any expense (ie. copy) is incurred
  immediately as the triggering write comes in.

- Could this be done from userland?  Metadata snapshots let userland see
  the mappings, alternatively dm-era let's userland track where io has
  gone.  A simple read then write of a block would trigger the sharing
  to be broken.


- Joe

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-09 11:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-08 18:17 [RFC] dm-thin: Heuristic early chunk copy before COW Eric Wheeler
2017-03-09 11:51 ` Joe Thornber [this message]
2017-03-11  0:43   ` Eric Wheeler

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