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From: Benjamin Marzinski <bmarzins@redhat.com>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Alasdair Kergon <agk@redhat.com>, DMML <dm-devel@lists.linux.dev>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCH] dm-ebs: Mark full buffer dirty even on partial write
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2025 09:15:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aRx_lCimJco5BPKA@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <73556fc8-5fbf-37cb-26b9-7cdb88f69720@redhat.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2025, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> 
> > Hello, Mikulas!
> > 
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > What is the logical_block_size of the underlying nvme device? - i.e. 
> > > what's the content of this file 
> > > /sys/block/nvme0n1/queue/logical_block_size in the virtual machine?
> > > 
> > It is 512. Whereas a physical is bigger, i.e. my device can not perform
> > I/O by 512 granularity.
> 
> And what is physical block size? Is it 8192?
> 
> > As for virtual machine, i just simulated the problem so people can set
> > it up and check. The commit message describes how it can be reproduced.
> > 
> > The dm-ebs target which i setup does ebs to ubs conversion, so the NVME
> > driver gets BIOs are in size and aligned to ubs size. The ubs size
> > corresponds to the underlying physical device I/O size.
> > 
> > So your patch does not work if logical < physical. Therefore it does
> > not help my project.
> 
> Logical block size is the granularity at which the device can accept I/O. 
> Physical block size is the block size on the medium.
> 
> If logical < physical, then the device performs read-modify-write cycle 
> when writing blocks that are not aligned at physical block size.
> 
> So, your setup is broken, because it advertises logical block size 512, 
> but it is not able to perform I/O at this granularity.

This emulated nvme device is broken, but the question still remains,
"should dm-ebs enfore writing at the alignment that was specified in its
table line?" If you don't specify a ubs in the table line, it defaults
to the logical block size. So, if you do specify a ubs, it stands to
reason that you want IO at that alignment, instead of the logical-block
size (perhaps because your device is broken, and advertises the wrong
logical block size).  

So, I think that Uladzislau's patch makes sense, in addition to your
own.

-Ben
 
> There is this piece of code in include/linux/blkdev.h:
> #ifdef CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE
> /*
>  * We should strive for 1 << (PAGE_SHIFT + MAX_PAGECACHE_ORDER)
>  * however we constrain this to what we can validate and test.
>  */
> #define BLK_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE      SZ_64K
> #else
> #define BLK_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE      PAGE_SIZE
> #endif
> 
> /* blk_validate_limits() validates bsize, so drivers don't usually need to */
> static inline int blk_validate_block_size(unsigned long bsize)
> {
>         if (bsize < 512 || bsize > BLK_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE || !is_power_of_2(bsize))
>                 return -EINVAL;
> 
>         return 0;
> }
> 
> What happens when you define CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE in your .config? 
> Does it fix the problem with small logical block size for you?
> 
> Mikulas
> 
> > --
> > Uladzislau Rezki
> > 
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-18 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-17 10:59 [RESEND PATCH] dm-ebs: Mark full buffer dirty even on partial write Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-11-17 20:48 ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-11-18 11:39   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-18 12:00     ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-11-18 12:40       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-18 12:46         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-18 14:15       ` Benjamin Marzinski [this message]
2025-11-18 17:21         ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-11-19  5:46           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-19  8:43             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-19  8:53               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-19  8:57                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-19  9:00                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-19  9:01                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-19  9:05                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-19  9:13                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-19  9:17                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-19 17:26             ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-11-20  6:21               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-20 12:08                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-20 12:40                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-21  7:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-21  7:24                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-21 13:21                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-21 16:48                       ` Benjamin Marzinski
2025-11-24 10:43                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-24 14:30                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-24 15:30                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-11-24 17:00                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-24 18:05                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-10-14 14:47 Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-10-16 19:59 ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-17 15:55   ` Uladzislau Rezki

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