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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: slab: introduce the flag SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 21:53:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b0e6ccf6-06ce-e50b-840e-c8d3072382fd@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1804161532480.19492@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com>

On 04/16/2018 09:36 PM, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Christopher Lameter wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Or an increase in slab_max_order
>>>
>>> But that will increase it for all slabs (often senselessly - i.e.
>>> kmalloc-4096 would have order 4MB).
>>
>> 4MB? Nope.... That is a power of two slab so no wasted space even with
>> order 0.
> 
> See this email:
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/dm-devel/2018-March/msg00387.html
> 
> If you boot with slub_max_order=10, the kmalloc-8192 cache has 64 pages. 
> So yes, it increases the order of all slab caches (although not up to 
> 4MB).
> 
>> Its not a senseless increase. The more objects you fit into a slab page
>> the higher the performance of the allocator.

It's not universally without a cost. It might increase internal
fragmentation of the slabs, if you end up with lots of 4MB pages
containing just few objects. Thus, waste of memory. You also consume
high-order pages that could be used elsewhere. If you fail to allocate
4MB, then what's the fallback, order-0? I doubt it's "the highest
available order". Thus, a more conservative choice e.g. order-3 will
might succeed more in allocating order-3, while a choice of 4MB will
have many order-0 fallbacks.

>>> I need to increase it just for dm-bufio slabs.
>>
>> If you do this then others will want the same...
> 
> If others need it, they can turn on the flag SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE too.

I think it should be possible without a new flag. The slub allocator
could just balance priorities (performance vs memory efficiency) better.
Currently I get the impression that "slub_max_order" is a performance
tunable. Let's add another criteria for selecting an order, that would
try to pick an order to minimize wasted space below e.g. 10% with some
different kind of max order. Pick good defaults, add tunables if you must.

I mean, anyone who's creating a cache for 640KB objects most likely
doesn't want to waste another 384KB by each such object. They shouldn't
have to add a flag to let the slub allocator figure out that using 2MB
pages is the right thing to do here.

Vlastimil

> Mikulas
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-16 19:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-20 17:25 [PATCH] slab: introduce the flag SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-20 17:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-20 17:54   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-20 19:22     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-20 20:42       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-20 22:02         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 15:35           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 16:25             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 17:10               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 17:30               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 17:39                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 17:49                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 18:01                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 18:23                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:40                       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 18:55                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:55                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 18:58                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 19:25                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:36                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:57                   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 19:19                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 20:09                       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 20:37                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-23 15:10                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-23 15:31                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-23 15:48                               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-13  9:22                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-13 15:10                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 12:38                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 14:27                         ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 14:37                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 14:46                             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 14:57                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 15:18                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 15:25                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 15:45                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:36                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 19:53                                         ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2018-04-16 21:01                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 14:40                                             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 18:53                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 21:42                                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 14:49                                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 14:47                                         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:32                               ` [PATCH RESEND] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 14:45                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 16:16                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-17 16:38                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 19:09                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 17:26                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 19:13                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-17 19:06                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 14:55                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-25 21:04                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:24                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:01                                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-26 21:09                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27 16:41                                               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-27 19:19                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-06-13 17:01                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-06-13 18:16                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-13 18:53                                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:51                                         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:38                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 21:04                         ` Mikulas Patocka

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