From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: slab: introduce the flag SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 21:53:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b0e6ccf6-06ce-e50b-840e-c8d3072382fd@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1804161532480.19492@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com>
On 04/16/2018 09:36 PM, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Christopher Lameter wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Or an increase in slab_max_order
>>>
>>> But that will increase it for all slabs (often senselessly - i.e.
>>> kmalloc-4096 would have order 4MB).
>>
>> 4MB? Nope.... That is a power of two slab so no wasted space even with
>> order 0.
>
> See this email:
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/dm-devel/2018-March/msg00387.html
>
> If you boot with slub_max_order=10, the kmalloc-8192 cache has 64 pages.
> So yes, it increases the order of all slab caches (although not up to
> 4MB).
>
>> Its not a senseless increase. The more objects you fit into a slab page
>> the higher the performance of the allocator.
It's not universally without a cost. It might increase internal
fragmentation of the slabs, if you end up with lots of 4MB pages
containing just few objects. Thus, waste of memory. You also consume
high-order pages that could be used elsewhere. If you fail to allocate
4MB, then what's the fallback, order-0? I doubt it's "the highest
available order". Thus, a more conservative choice e.g. order-3 will
might succeed more in allocating order-3, while a choice of 4MB will
have many order-0 fallbacks.
>>> I need to increase it just for dm-bufio slabs.
>>
>> If you do this then others will want the same...
>
> If others need it, they can turn on the flag SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE too.
I think it should be possible without a new flag. The slub allocator
could just balance priorities (performance vs memory efficiency) better.
Currently I get the impression that "slub_max_order" is a performance
tunable. Let's add another criteria for selecting an order, that would
try to pick an order to minimize wasted space below e.g. 10% with some
different kind of max order. Pick good defaults, add tunables if you must.
I mean, anyone who's creating a cache for 640KB objects most likely
doesn't want to waste another 384KB by each such object. They shouldn't
have to add a flag to let the slub allocator figure out that using 2MB
pages is the right thing to do here.
Vlastimil
> Mikulas
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-04-16 19:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-03-20 17:25 [PATCH] slab: introduce the flag SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-20 17:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-20 17:54 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-20 19:22 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-20 20:42 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-20 22:02 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 15:35 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 16:25 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 17:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 17:30 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 17:39 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 17:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 18:01 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 18:23 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:40 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 18:55 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 18:58 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 19:25 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:36 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:57 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 19:19 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 20:09 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 20:37 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-23 15:10 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-23 15:31 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-23 15:48 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-13 9:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-13 15:10 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 12:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 14:27 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 14:37 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 14:46 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 14:57 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 15:18 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 15:25 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 15:45 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:36 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 19:53 ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2018-04-16 21:01 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 14:40 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 18:53 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 21:42 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 14:49 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 14:47 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:32 ` [PATCH RESEND] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 14:45 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 16:16 ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-17 16:38 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 19:09 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 17:26 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 19:13 ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-17 19:06 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 14:55 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-25 21:04 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:24 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:01 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-26 21:09 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27 16:41 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-27 19:19 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-06-13 17:01 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-06-13 18:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-13 18:53 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:51 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 21:04 ` Mikulas Patocka
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=b0e6ccf6-06ce-e50b-840e-c8d3072382fd@suse.cz \
--to=vbabka@suse.cz \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=cl@linux.com \
--cc=dm-devel@redhat.com \
--cc=iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
--cc=mpatocka@redhat.com \
--cc=penberg@kernel.org \
--cc=rientjes@google.com \
--cc=snitzer@redhat.com \
--cc=willy@infradead.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox