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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas.monjalon-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Panu Matilainen <pmatilai-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: dev-VfR2kkLFssw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mk: fix missing link of librte_vhost in shared, non-combined config
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:17:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4097369.UqpyrEhzLH@xps13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54E1BFFD.2010507-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

2015-02-16 12:01, Panu Matilainen:
> On 02/13/2015 03:18 PM, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> > 2015-02-13 12:33, Panu Matilainen:
> >> On 02/13/2015 11:28 AM, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> >>> 2015-02-13 09:27, Panu Matilainen:
> >>>> On 02/12/2015 05:44 PM, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> >>>>> A library is considered as a plugin if there is no public API and it
> >>>>> registers itself. That's the case of normal PMD.
> >>>>> But bonding and Xen have some library parts with public API.
> >>>>> It has been discussed and agreed for bonding but I'm not aware of the Xen case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Fair enough, thanks for the explanation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just wondering about versioning of these things - currently all the PMDs
> >>>> are versioned as well, which is slightly at odds with their expected
> >>>> usage, dlopen()'ed items usually are not versioned because it makes the
> >>>> files moving targets. But if a plugin can be an library too then it
> >>>> clearly needs to be versioned as well.
> >>>
> >>> Not sure to understand your considerations.
> >>> Plugins must be versioned because there can be some incompatibilities
> >>> like mbuf rework.
> >>
> >> Plugins are version-dependent obviously, but the issue is somewhat
> >> different from library versioning. Plugins are generally consumers of
> >> the versioned ABIs, whereas libraries are the providers.
> >>
> >>>> I'm just thinking of typical packaging where the unversioned *.so
> >>>> symlinks are in a -devel subpackage and the versioned libraries are in
> >>>> the main runtime package. Plugins should be loadable by a stable
> >>>> unversioned name always, for libraries the linker handles it behind the
> >>>> scenes. So in packaging these things, plugin *.so links need to be
> >>>> handled differently (placed into the main package) from others. Not
> >>>> rocket science to filter by 'pmd' in the name, but a new twist anyway
> >>>> and easy to get wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> One possibility to make it all more obvious might be having a separate
> >>>> directory for plugins, the mixed case ccould be handled by symlinks.
> >>>
> >>> I think I don't understand which use case you are trying to solve.
> >>
> >> Its a usability/documentation issue more than a technical one. If plugin
> >> DSO's are versioned (like they currently are), then loading them via eg
> >> -d becomes cumbersome since you need to hunt down and provide the
> >> versioned name, eg "testpmd -d librte_pmd_pcap.so.1 [...]"
> >>
> >> Like said above, it can be worked around by leaving the unversioned
> >> symlinks in place for plugins in runtime (library) packages, but that
> >> sort of voids the point of versioning. One possibility would be
> >> introducing a per-version plugin directory that would be used as the
> >> default path for dlopen() unless an absolute path is used.
> >
> > It makes me think that instead of using a -d option per plugin, why not
> > adding a -D option to load all plugins from a directory?
> 
> Are you thinking of "-D <plugindir>" or just -D (to use a build-time 
> hardwired directory)?

I'm thinking of "-D <plugindir>".
I understand you would like a "hardwired" default directory which would be
properly packaged by a distribution. Maybe that it could be a build-time
default to load all the plugins of a directory (without option). Then the
-d and -D options would overwrite the build-time default behaviour.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-16 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-11  8:53 [PATCH] mk: fix missing link of librte_vhost in shared, non-combined config Panu Matilainen
     [not found] ` <6ca22ee1257e34ee2b89f2fb354d6c382b8f3e29.1423644785.git.pmatilai-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-11 10:51   ` Gonzalez Monroy, Sergio
     [not found]     ` <91383E96CE459D47BCE92EFBF5CE73B004F4AB6C-kPTMFJFq+rEMvF1YICWikbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-11 11:25       ` Panu Matilainen
     [not found]         ` <54DB3C35.9000104-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-11 12:31           ` Gonzalez Monroy, Sergio
     [not found]             ` <91383E96CE459D47BCE92EFBF5CE73B004F4AC14-kPTMFJFq+rEMvF1YICWikbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-12 15:44               ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-13  7:27                 ` Panu Matilainen
     [not found]                   ` <54DDA759.3060908-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-13  9:28                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-13 10:33                       ` Panu Matilainen
     [not found]                         ` <54DDD2EE.7070505-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-13 10:53                           ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-13 13:18                           ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-16 10:01                             ` Panu Matilainen
     [not found]                               ` <54E1BFFD.2010507-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-16 11:17                                 ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2015-02-16 11:58                                   ` Panu Matilainen
2015-02-11 13:43   ` [PATCH v2] mk: fix librte_vhost linking Panu Matilainen
     [not found]     ` <24fdb6886ab2d889197b6822be9361b40876bf22.1423662049.git.pmatilai-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-11 13:47       ` Gonzalez Monroy, Sergio
     [not found]         ` <91383E96CE459D47BCE92EFBF5CE73B004F4ACA2-kPTMFJFq+rEMvF1YICWikbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-12 16:00           ` Thomas Monjalon

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