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From: Vincent JARDIN <vincent.jardin-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: "Zhou, Danny" <danny.zhou-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "dev-VfR2kkLFssw@public.gmane.org"
	<dev-VfR2kkLFssw@public.gmane.org>,
	"Fastabend,
	John R"
	<john.r.fastabend-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: bifurcated driver
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 02:30:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <545ACF39.5000507@6wind.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DFDF335405C17848924A094BC35766CF0A98FBC5-0J0gbvR4kTg/UvCtAeCM4rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

+Or

On 05/11/2014 23:48, Zhou, Danny wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Thanks for sharing the links to ibverbs, I will take a close look at it and compare it to bifurcated driver. My take
> after a rough review is that idea is very much similar, but bifurcated driver implementation is generic for any
> Ethernet device based on existing af_packet mechanism, with extension of exchanging the messages between
> user space and kernel space driver.
>
> I have an internal document to summary the pros and cons of below solutions, except for ibvers, but
> will be adding it shortly.
>
> - igb_uio
> - uio_pci_generic
> - VFIO
> - bifurcated driver
>
> Short answers to your questions:
>> 	- upstream status
> Adding IOMMU based memory protection and generic descriptor description support now, into version 2
> kernel patches.
>
>> 	- usable with kernel netdev
> af_packet based, and relevant patchset will be submitted to netdev for sure.
>
>> 	- usable in a vm
> No, it does no coexist with SRIOV for number of reasons. but if you pass-through a PF to a VM, it works perfect.
>
>> 	- usable for Ethernet
> It could work with all Ethernet NICs, as flow director is available and NIC driver support new net_ops to split off
> queue pairs for user space.
>
>> 	- hardware requirements
> No specific hardware requirements. All mainstream NICs have multiple qpairs and flow director support.
>
>> 	- security protection
> Leverage IOMMU to provide memory protection on Intel platform. Other archs provide similar memory protection
> mechanism, so we only use arch-agnostic DMA memory allocation APIs in kernel to support memory protection.
>
>> 	- performance
> DPDK native performance on user space queues, as long as drop_en is enabled to avoid head-of-line blocking.
>
> -Danny
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Monjalon [mailto:thomas.monjalon-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 9:01 PM
>> To: Zhou, Danny
>> Cc: dev-VfR2kkLFssw@public.gmane.org; Fastabend, John R
>> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] bifurcated driver
>>
>> Hi Danny,
>>
>> 2014-10-31 17:36, O'driscoll, Tim:
>>> Bifurcated Driver (Danny.Zhou-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org)
>>
>> Thanks for the presentation of bifurcated driver during the community call.
>> I asked if you looked at ibverbs and you wanted a link to check.
>> The kernel module is here:
>> 	http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/infiniband/core
>> The userspace library:
>> 	http://git.kernel.org/cgit/libs/infiniband/libibverbs.git
>>
>> Extract from Kconfig:
>> "
>> config INFINIBAND_USER_ACCESS
>> 	tristate "InfiniBand userspace access (verbs and CM)"
>> 	select ANON_INODES
>> 	---help---
>> 	  Userspace InfiniBand access support.  This enables the
>> 	  kernel side of userspace verbs and the userspace
>> 	  communication manager (CM).  This allows userspace processes
>> 	  to set up connections and directly access InfiniBand
>> 	  hardware for fast-path operations.  You will also need
>> 	  libibverbs, libibcm and a hardware driver library from
>> 	  <http://www.openfabrics.org/git/>.
>> "
>>
>> It seems to be close to the bifurcated driver needs.
>> Not sure if it can solve the security issues if there is no dedicated MMU
>> in the NIC.
>>
>> I feel we should sum up pros and cons of
>> 	- igb_uio
>> 	- uio_pci_generic
>> 	- VFIO
>> 	- ibverbs
>> 	- bifurcated driver
>> I suggest to consider these criterias:
>> 	- upstream status
>> 	- usable with kernel netdev
>> 	- usable in a vm
>> 	- usable for ethernet
>> 	- hardware requirements
>> 	- security protection
>> 	- performance
>>
>> --
>> Thomas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-11-06  1:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-24  9:22 DPDK Community Conference Call - Friday 31st October O'driscoll, Tim
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2014-10-24 15:05   ` Michael Marchetti
     [not found]     ` <A7E5BBF1ACE50B43AF1D6E89B8280FE4C52C3DD0-optG8WkO7DUmBZHPKbibd5rt+qvZzhbF@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-24 15:22       ` O'driscoll, Tim
2014-10-31 15:34   ` O'driscoll, Tim
     [not found]     ` <26FA93C7ED1EAA44AB77D62FBE1D27BA54C4620C-kPTMFJFq+rFP9JyJpTNKArfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 17:36       ` O'driscoll, Tim
     [not found]         ` <26FA93C7ED1EAA44AB77D62FBE1D27BA54C46444-kPTMFJFq+rFP9JyJpTNKArfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-01 12:59           ` Neil Horman
     [not found]             ` <20141101125905.GB9971-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-01 14:05               ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-11-05 13:00           ` bifurcated driver Thomas Monjalon
2014-11-05 15:14             ` Alex Markuze
     [not found]               ` <CAKfHP0WGL=C2sTzsn7uMZJ4CyhqJwA4YqTB7MOa8uFROWYNHgQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-05 15:19                 ` Alex Markuze
     [not found]                   ` <CAKfHP0XLcRhYHNfvPGM=stxqNGyqtLBEyME1cBqiZbPPGa53Bw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-05 22:19                     ` Zhou, Danny
2014-11-05 22:48             ` Zhou, Danny
     [not found]               ` <DFDF335405C17848924A094BC35766CF0A98FBC5-0J0gbvR4kTg/UvCtAeCM4rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-06  1:30                 ` Vincent JARDIN [this message]
     [not found]                   ` <545ACF39.5000507-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-06  4:45                     ` Zhou, Danny
     [not found]                       ` <DFDF335405C17848924A094BC35766CF0A990522-0J0gbvR4kTg/UvCtAeCM4rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-06  8:13                         ` Alex Markuze
     [not found]                           ` <CAKfHP0VaCW_zBb9-uJYwwDQ-+sz-DZ=b6hcWn0HfMmMzhiOfUA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-06  9:10                             ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-11-24 11:57             ` Luke Gorrie
     [not found]               ` <CAA2XHbffNC=KcwFrxkUADpXA7EFYxJYwq8tLzvr-H0aYVd1T9Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-24 13:38                 ` Zhou, Danny
2014-11-20  7:17           ` DPDK Community Conference Call - Friday 31st October Kevin Wilson
     [not found]             ` <CAGXs5wXnn-Riu0+pyOQWULkygbX7T=aozdk=yKxGMXmK0GKt-Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-20 13:13               ` O'driscoll, Tim
     [not found]                 ` <26FA93C7ED1EAA44AB77D62FBE1D27BA54C668E0-kPTMFJFq+rFP9JyJpTNKArfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-20 17:02                   ` Kevin Wilson
     [not found]                     ` <CAGXs5wU8oQg0WZGT-OmgJgN5q_=Hn1dx+shqx=B8-S1HRs2Z6w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-20 23:26                       ` O'driscoll, Tim
     [not found]                         ` <26FA93C7ED1EAA44AB77D62FBE1D27BA54C66F8B-kPTMFJFq+rFP9JyJpTNKArfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21 10:54                           ` Kevin Wilson

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