From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Vincent JARDIN Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/17] Wind River Systems AVP PMD vs virtio? - ivshmem is back Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:41:29 +0100 Message-ID: <73cdfe30-ed3b-6dd6-a2d8-fc2873fb65f3@6wind.com> References: <1488414008-162839-1-git-send-email-allain.legacy@windriver.com> <1489432593-32390-1-git-send-email-allain.legacy@windriver.com> <4b3a0ff4-3d19-8e4b-0cbf-2a08e6433285@6wind.com> <26FA93C7ED1EAA44AB77D62FBE1D27BA7231E927@IRSMSX108.ger.corp.intel.com> <20170316161731.34b94669@xeon-e3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "Yigit, Ferruh" , "dev@dpdk.org" , "Jolliffe, Ian (Wind River)" , "Richardson, Bruce" , "Mcnamara, John" , "Wiles, Keith" , "thomas.monjalon@6wind.com" , "jerin.jacob@caviumnetworks.com" , "3chas3@gmail.com" <3chas3@gmail.com>, stefanha@gmail.com, Markus Armbruster To: Stephen Hemminger , "O'Driscoll, Tim" , "Legacy, Allain (Wind River)" Return-path: Received: from mail-wr0-f180.google.com (mail-wr0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EE81075 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:41:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-wr0-f180.google.com with SMTP id l37so42207879wrc.1 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:41:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170316161731.34b94669@xeon-e3> List-Id: DPDK patches and discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dev-bounces@dpdk.org Sender: "dev" Let's be back to 2014 with Qemu's thoughts on it, +Stefan https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/virtualization/2014-June/026767.html and +Markus https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/virtualization/2014-June/026713.html > 6. Device models belong into QEMU > > Say you build an actual interface on top of ivshmem. Then ivshmem in > QEMU together with the supporting host code outside QEMU (see 3.) and > the lower layer of the code using it in guests (kernel + user space) > provide something that to me very much looks like a device model. > > Device models belong into QEMU. It's what QEMU does. Le 17/03/2017 à 00:17, Stephen Hemminger a écrit : > On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 04:10:56 +0000 > "O'Driscoll, Tim" wrote: > >> I've included a couple of specific comments inline below, and a general comment here. >> >> We have somebody proposing to add a new driver to DPDK. It's standalone and doesn't affect any of the core libraries. They're willing to maintain the driver and have included a patch to update the maintainers file. They've also included the relevant documentation changes. I haven't seen any negative comment on the patches themselves except for a request from John McNamara for an update to the Release Notes that was addressed in a later version. I think we should be welcoming this into DPDK rather than questioning/rejecting it. >> >> I'd suggest that this is a good topic for the next Tech Board meeting. > > This is a virtualization driver for supporting DPDK on platform that provides an alternative > virtual network driver. I see no reason it shouldn't be part of DPDK. Given the unstable > ABI for drivers, supporting out of tree DPDK drivers is difficult. The DPDK should try > to be inclusive and support as many environments as possible. > On Qemu mailing list, back to 2014, I did push to build models of devices over ivshmem, like AVP, but folks did not want that we abuse of it. The Qemu community wants that we avoid unfocusing. So, by being too much inclusive, we abuse of the Qemu's capabilities. So, because of being "inclusive", we should allow any cases, it is not a proper way to make sure that virtio gets all the focuses it deserves.