From: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com>,
<techboard@dpdk.org>, <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: mbuf fast-free requirements analysis
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 16:36:26 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWfGCglFfkpOAxgh@bricha3-mobl1.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35F6565B@smartserver.smartshare.dk>
On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 04:31:31PM +0100, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > If I'm not mistaken, the mbuf library is not a barrier for fast-
> > freeing
> > > segmented packet mbufs, and thus fast-free of jumbo frames is
> > possible.
> > >
> > > We need a driver developer to confirm that my suggested approach -
> > > resetting the mbuf fields, incl. 'm->nb_segs' and 'm->next', when
> > > preparing the Tx descriptor - is viable.
> > >
> > Excellent analysis, Morten. If I get a chance some time this release
> > cycle,
> > I will try implementing this change in our drivers, see if any
> > difference
> > is made.
>
> Bruce,
>
> Have you had a chance to look into the driver change requirements?
> If not, could you please try scratching the surface, to build a gut feeling.
I'll try and take a look this week. Juggling a few things at the moment, so
I had forgotten about this. Sorry.
More comments inline below.
/Bruce
>
> I wonder if the vector implementations have strong requirements that packets are not segmented...
>
> The i40 driver only sets "tx_simple_allowed" and "tx_vec_allowed" flags when MBUF_FAST_FREE is set:
> https://elixir.bootlin.com/dpdk/v25.11/source/drivers/net/intel/i40e/i40e_rxtx.c#L3502
>
Actually, it allows but does not require FAST_FREE. The check is just
verifying that the flags with everything *but* FAST_FREE masked out is the
same as the original flags, i.e. FAST_FREE is just ignored.
> And only when these two flags are set, it uses a vector Tx function:
> https://elixir.bootlin.com/dpdk/v25.11/source/drivers/net/intel/i40e/i40e_rxtx.c#L3550
> And a special Tx Prep function:
> https://elixir.bootlin.com/dpdk/v25.11/source/drivers/net/intel/i40e/i40e_rxtx.c#L3584
> Which fails if nb_segs != 1:
> https://elixir.bootlin.com/dpdk/v25.11/source/drivers/net/intel/i40e/i40e_rxtx.c#L1675
>
> So currently it does.
> But does it need to?... That is the question.
> Paraphrasing:
> Can the Tx function only be vectorized when the code path doesn't have branches depending on the number of segments?
> If so, then this may be the main reason for not supporting segmented packets with FAST_FREE.
>
> In that case, we cannot remove the single-segment requirement from FAST_FREE without sacrificing the performance boost from vectorizing.
No, based on what I state above, this should not be a blocker. The vector
paths do require us to guarantee only one segment per packet - without
additional context descriptors - so only one descriptor per packet
(generally, or always one + ctx, in one code-path case). FAST_FREE can be
used in conjunction with that but should not be a requirement. See [1]
where in vector cleanup we explicitly check for FAST_FREE.
Similarly for scalar code path, in my latest rework, I am attempting to
standardize the use of FAST_FREE optimizations even when we have a slightly
slower Tx path [2].
[1] https://github.com/DPDK/dpdk/blob/main/drivers/net/intel/common/tx.h
[2] https://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20260113151505.1871271-31-bruce.richardson@intel.com/
>
> But then we can proceed pursuing alternative optimizations, as suggested by Konstantin.
>
> Here's another idea:
> The Tx function could pre-scan each Tx burst for multi-segment packets, to decide if the burst should be processed by the vector code path or a fallback code path (which can also handle multi-segment packets).
>
>
> -Morten
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-14 16:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-15 11:06 mbuf fast-free requirements analysis Morten Brørup
2025-12-15 11:46 ` Bruce Richardson
2026-01-14 15:31 ` Morten Brørup
2026-01-14 16:36 ` Bruce Richardson [this message]
2026-01-14 18:05 ` Morten Brørup
2026-01-15 8:46 ` Bruce Richardson
2026-01-15 9:04 ` Morten Brørup
2026-01-23 11:20 ` [PATCH] net/intel: optimize for fast-free hint Bruce Richardson
2026-01-23 12:05 ` Morten Brørup
2026-01-23 12:09 ` Bruce Richardson
2026-01-23 12:27 ` Morten Brørup
2026-01-23 12:53 ` Bruce Richardson
2026-01-23 13:06 ` Morten Brørup
2026-04-08 13:25 ` [PATCH v2] " Bruce Richardson
2026-04-08 19:27 ` Morten Brørup
2026-01-23 11:33 ` mbuf fast-free requirements analysis Bruce Richardson
2025-12-15 14:41 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-12-15 16:14 ` Morten Brørup
2025-12-19 17:08 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-12-20 7:33 ` Morten Brørup
2025-12-22 15:22 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-12-22 17:11 ` Morten Brørup
2025-12-22 17:43 ` Bruce Richardson
2026-01-13 14:48 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2026-01-13 16:07 ` Stephen Hemminger
2026-01-14 17:01 ` Bruce Richardson
2026-01-14 17:31 ` Morten Brørup
2026-01-14 17:45 ` Bruce Richardson
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