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From: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] stack: introduce pile
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2026 17:15:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <anycOPsfQs2cbZLf@bricha3-mobl1.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35F659DB@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 06:01:31PM +0200, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > From: Bruce Richardson [mailto:bruce.richardson@intel.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2026 16.34
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 01:47:56PM +0000, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > Added a new high-performance lock-free "pile", using the Stack API.
> > > The pile behaves roughly like a stack, but is not strictly LIFO.
> > >
> > > The pile is optimized for pushing/popping bulks of objects, which
> > > it does significantly faster than the lock-free stack.
> > >
> > > Pushing/popping a number of objects not divisible by the compile time
> > > configurable bulk size is handled gracefully, but not as fast as
> > > complete bulks.
> > >
> > > Performance examples, stack_pile_perf_autotest vs. stack_lf_autotest:
> > >
> > > On a single core, pushing/popping 1 or 8 objects is similar speed.
> > > On a single core, pushing/popping 32 objects is 2x faster.
> > > On a single core, pushing/popping 512 objects is 10x faster.
> > >
> > > On four cores, pushing/popping 1, 8 or 32 objects is slightly faster.
> > > On four cores, pushing/popping 512 objects is 4x faster.
> > >
> > How does it differ, or what are the benefits vs the standard stack.
> 
> The standard stack is generally faster on single core.
> Only pushing/popping 512 objects is slightly faster than the standard stack, but maybe the standard stack could be microoptimized to fix that.
> 
> On four cores, it is slightly faster than the standard stack with multiple objects:
> 
> stack_perf_autotest
> Average cycles per object push/pop (bulk size: 1): 3806.65
> Average cycles per object push/pop (bulk size: 8): 554.77
> Average cycles per object push/pop (bulk size: 32): 144.70
> Average cycles per object push/pop (bulk size: 512): 13.52
> 
> stack_pile_perf_autotest
> Average cycles per object push/pop (bulk size: 1): 4012.39
> Average cycles per object push/pop (bulk size: 8): 459.82
> Average cycles per object push/pop (bulk size: 32): 122.40
> Average cycles per object push/pop (bulk size: 512): 9.60
> 
> 
> > The
> > LF
> > stack I'd view as a strange edge case, since even with the standard
> > MP/MC
> > ring mempool driver you still have atomics on the fast-path and you
> > will
> > still get stalls if a thread gets context switched out in the middle of
> > a
> > mempool operation.
> 
> Yes, the no-stall guarantee is a key benefit of the lock-free stack and the pile.
> 

Ok, that is good. Next question, rather than adding a whole new mempool
driver implementation, can we use this to replace one of the existing stack
implementations? Do we need to have so many mempool stack drivers
generally?

/Bruce

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-12 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-12 13:47 [PATCH] stack: introduce pile Morten Brørup
2026-08-12 14:34 ` Bruce Richardson
2026-08-12 16:01   ` Morten Brørup
2026-08-12 16:15     ` Bruce Richardson [this message]
2026-08-12 16:28       ` Morten Brørup

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