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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>
Cc: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>,
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	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
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	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Oded Gabbay <ogabbay@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 16/19] mm/frame-vector: remove FOLL_FORCE usage
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 10:40:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <040542e7-7d1c-4f25-b1ed-459f3c165283@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAFQd5C3Ba1WhjYJF_7tW06mgvzoz9KTakNo+Tz8h_f6dGKzHQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 08.11.22 05:45, Tomasz Figa wrote:
> Hi David,

Hi Tomasz,

thanks for looking into this!

> 
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:19 AM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> FOLL_FORCE is really only for debugger access. According to commit
>> 707947247e95 ("media: videobuf2-vmalloc: get_userptr: buffers are always
>> writable"), the pinned pages are always writable.
> 

As reference, the cover letter of the series:

https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20221107161740.144456-1-david@redhat.com

> Actually that patch is only a workaround to temporarily disable
> support for read-only pages as they seemed to suffer from some
> corruption issues in the retrieved user pages. We expect to support
> read-only pages as hardware input after. That said, FOLL_FORCE doesn't
> sound like the right thing even in that case, but I don't know the
> background behind it being added here in the first place. +Hans
> Verkuil +Marek Szyprowski do you happen to remember anything about it?

Maybe I mis-interpreted 707947247e95; re-reading it again, I am not 
quite sure what the actual problem is and how it relates to GUP 
FOLL_WRITE handling. FOLL_FORCE already was in place before 707947247e95 
and should be removed.

What I understood is "Just always call vb2_create_framevec() with 
FOLL_WRITE to always allow writing to the buffers.".


If the pinned page is never written to via the obtained GUP reference:
* FOLL_WRITE should not be set
* FOLL_FORCE should not be set
* We should not dirty the page when unpinning

If the pinned page may be written to via the obtained GUP reference:
* FOLL_WRITE should be set
* FOLL_FORCE should not be set
* We should dirty the page when unpinning


If the function is called for both, we should think about doing it 
conditional based on a "write" variable, like pre-707947247e95 did.

@Hans, any insight?

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-08  9:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-07 16:17 [PATCH RFC 00/19] mm/gup: remove FOLL_FORCE usage from drivers (reliable R/O long-term pinning) David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 01/19] selftests/vm: anon_cow: prepare for non-anonymous COW tests David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 02/19] selftests/vm: cow: basic COW tests for non-anonymous pages David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 03/19] selftests/vm: cow: R/O long-term pinning reliability tests for non-anon pages David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 04/19] mm: add early FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE consistency checks David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 05/19] mm: add early FAULT_FLAG_WRITE " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 19:03   ` Nadav Amit
2022-11-07 19:27     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 19:50       ` Nadav Amit
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 06/19] mm: rework handling in do_wp_page() based on private vs. shared mappings David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 07/19] mm: don't call vm_ops->huge_fault() in wp_huge_pmd()/wp_huge_pud() for private mappings David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 08/19] mm: extend FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE support to anything in a COW mapping David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 09/19] mm/gup: reliable R/O long-term pinning in COW mappings David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 10/19] RDMA/umem: remove FOLL_FORCE usage David Hildenbrand
2022-11-14  8:30   ` Leon Romanovsky
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 11/19] RDMA/usnic: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 12/19] RDMA/siw: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 13/19] media: videobuf-dma-sg: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 14/19] drm/etnaviv: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 15/19] media: pci/ivtv: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 16/19] mm/frame-vector: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-08  4:45   ` Tomasz Figa
2022-11-08  9:40     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2022-11-22 12:25     ` Hans Verkuil
2022-11-22 12:38       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-22 14:07         ` Hans Verkuil
2022-11-22 15:03           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-22 17:33       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 17/19] drm/exynos: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 18/19] RDMA/hw/qib/qib_user_pages: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 19/19] habanalabs: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 21:25   ` Oded Gabbay
2022-11-07 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 00/19] mm/gup: remove FOLL_FORCE usage from drivers (reliable R/O long-term pinning) Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08  9:29   ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]   ` <Y3HaGbPcGfTxlLPZ@infradead.org>
2022-11-14  8:07     ` David Hildenbrand

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