dri-devel Archive on lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>
To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "Mat King" <mathewk@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	rafael@kernel.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	"Ross Zwisler" <zwisler@google.com>,
	"Jingoo Han" <jingoohan1@gmail.com>,
	"Rajat Jain" <rajatja@google.com>,
	"Lee Jones" <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	"Ville Syrjälä" <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: New sysfs interface for privacy screens
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 11:24:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191002102428.zaid63hp6wpd7w34@holly.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h84rbile.fsf@intel.com>

On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 12:30:05PM +0300, Jani Nikula wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Oct 2019, Mat King <mathewk@google.com> wrote:
> > Resending in plain text mode
> >
> > I have been looking into adding Linux support for electronic privacy
> > screens which is a feature on some new laptops which is built into the
> > display and allows users to turn it on instead of needing to use a
> > physical privacy filter. In discussions with my colleagues the idea of
> > using either /sys/class/backlight or /sys/class/leds but this new
> > feature does not seem to quite fit into either of those classes.
> >
> > I am proposing adding a class called "privacy_screen" to interface
> > with these devices. The initial API would be simple just a single
> > property called "privacy_state" which when set to 1 would mean that
> > privacy is enabled and 0 when privacy is disabled.
> >
> > Current known use cases will use ACPI _DSM in order to interface with
> > the privacy screens, but this class would allow device driver authors
> > to use other interfaces as well.
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > # get privacy screen state
> > cat /sys/class/privacy_screen/cros_privacy/privacy_state # 1: privacy
> > enabled 0: privacy disabled
> >
> > # set privacy enabled
> > echo 1 > /sys/class/privacy_screen/cros_privacy/privacy_state
> >
> >  Does this approach seem to be reasonable?
> 
> What part of the userspace would be managing the privacy screen? Should
> there be a connection between the display and the privacy screen that
> covers the display? How would the userspace make that connection if it's
> a sysfs interface?
> 
> I don't know how the privacy screen operates, but if it draws any power,
> you'll want to disable it when you switch off the display it covers.
> 
> If the privacy screen control was part of the graphics subsystem (say, a
> DRM connector property, which feels somewhat natural), I think it would
> make it easier for userspace to have policies such as enabling the
> privacy screen automatically depending on the content you're viewing,
> but only if the content is on the display that has a privacy screen.

Connectors versus sysfs came up on a backlight thread recently.

Daniel Vetter wrote an excellent summary on why it has been (and still
is) difficult to migrate backlight controls towards the DRM connector
interface:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/8/20/752

Many of the backlight legacy problems do not apply to privacy screens
but I do suggest reading this post and some of the neighbouring parts
of the thread. In particular the ACPI driver versus real driver issues
Daniel mentioned could occur again. Hopefully not though, I mean how
wrong can a 1-bit control go? (actually no... don't answer that).

It would definitely be a shame to build up an unnecessary sysfs legacy
for privacy screens so definitely worth seeing if this can use DRM
connector properties.


Daniel.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-02 10:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-01 16:09 New sysfs interface for privacy screens Mat King
2019-10-01 16:27 ` Greg KH
2019-10-01 16:42   ` Mat King
2019-10-02  9:30 ` Jani Nikula
2019-10-02 10:24   ` Daniel Thompson [this message]
2019-10-02 10:46     ` Jani Nikula
2019-10-02 15:25       ` Mat King
2019-10-03  8:59         ` Jani Nikula
2019-10-03 19:57           ` Mat King
2019-10-07  4:56             ` Rajat Jain
2019-10-07  8:59               ` Jani Nikula
2019-10-07 13:08             ` Sean Paul
2019-10-07 16:19               ` Mat King
2019-10-07 19:31                 ` Rajat Jain
2019-10-07 19:53                   ` Sean Paul
2019-10-08  6:13                 ` Jani Nikula
2019-10-23  0:14                   ` Rajat Jain
2019-10-23  0:17                     ` Rajat Jain
2019-10-23  8:39                   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-02 15:46 ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-10-02 17:13   ` Mat King
2019-10-03  8:19   ` Jani Nikula
2019-10-03 10:22     ` Daniel Thompson
2019-10-06 11:04       ` Pavel Machek
2019-10-06 16:48         ` Jingoo Han
2019-10-06 20:34       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2019-10-06 11:00   ` Pavel Machek
2019-10-06 10:58 ` Pavel Machek

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20191002102428.zaid63hp6wpd7w34@holly.lan \
    --to=daniel.thompson@linaro.org \
    --cc=dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org \
    --cc=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=jani.nikula@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=jingoohan1@gmail.com \
    --cc=lee.jones@linaro.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mathewk@google.com \
    --cc=rafael@kernel.org \
    --cc=rajatja@google.com \
    --cc=ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=zwisler@google.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox