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From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/10] vfio: Move storage of allow_unsafe_interrupts to vfio_main.c
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 08:18:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221107081853.18727337.alex.williamson@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y2kF75zVD581UeR2@nvidia.com>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 09:19:43 -0400
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 04:45:26PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> 
> > > It is one idea, it depends how literal you want to be on "module
> > > parameters are ABI". IMHO it is a weak form of ABI and the need of
> > > this paramter in particular is not that common in modern times, AFAIK.
> > > 
> > > So perhaps we just also expose it through vfio.ko and expect people to
> > > migrate. That would give a window were both options are available.  
> > 
> > That might be best.  Ultimately this is an opt-out of a feature that
> > has security implications, so I'd rather error on the side of requiring
> > the user to re-assert that opt-out.  It seems the potential good in
> > eliminating stale or unnecessary options outweighs any weak claims of
> > preserving an ABI for a module that's no longer in service.  
> 
> Ok, lets do this
> 
> --- a/drivers/vfio/vfio_main.c
> +++ b/drivers/vfio/vfio_main.c
> @@ -55,6 +55,11 @@ static struct vfio {
>  bool vfio_allow_unsafe_interrupts;
>  EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(vfio_allow_unsafe_interrupts);
>  
> +module_param_named(allow_unsafe_interrupts,
> +                  vfio_allow_unsafe_interrupts, bool, S_IRUGO | S_IWUSR);
> +MODULE_PARM_DESC(allow_unsafe_interrupts,
> +                "Enable VFIO IOMMU support for on platforms without interrupt remapping support.");
> +
>  static DEFINE_XARRAY(vfio_device_set_xa);
>  static const struct file_operations vfio_group_fops;
> 
> > However, I'd question whether vfio is the right place for that new
> > module option.  As proposed, vfio is only passing it through to
> > iommufd, where an error related to lack of the hardware feature is
> > masked behind an -EPERM by the time it gets back to vfio, making any
> > sort of advisory to the user about the module option convoluted.  It
> > seems like iommufd should own the option to opt-out universally, not
> > just through the vfio use case.  Thanks,  
> 
> My thinking is this option shouldn't exist at all in other iommufd
> users. eg I don't see value in VDPA supporting it.

I disagree, the IOMMU interface is responsible for isolating the
device, this option doesn't make any sense to live in vfio-main, which
is the reason it was always a type1 option.  If vdpa doesn't allow full
device access such that it can guarantee that a device cannot generate
a DMA that can spoof MSI, then it sounds like the flag we pass when
attaching a device to iommfd should to reflect this difference in usage.
The driver either requires full isolation, default, or can indicate a
form of restricted DMA programming that prevents interrupt spoofing.
The policy whether to permit unsafe configurations should exist in one
place, iommufd.  Thanks,

Alex


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-07 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-25 18:17 [PATCH 00/10] Connect VFIO to IOMMUFD Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-25 18:17 ` [PATCH 01/10] vfio: Move vfio_device driver open/close code to a function Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01  7:33   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-01 12:12     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01 14:36   ` Yi Liu
2022-10-25 18:17 ` [PATCH 02/10] vfio: Move vfio_device_assign_container() into vfio_device_first_open() Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01  7:38   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-01 12:14     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01 14:37   ` Yi Liu
2022-11-01 17:37     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-25 18:17 ` [PATCH 03/10] vfio: Rename vfio_device_assign/unassign_container() Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01  7:39   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-01 14:39   ` Yi Liu
2022-10-25 18:17 ` [PATCH 04/10] vfio: Move storage of allow_unsafe_interrupts to vfio_main.c Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-26 21:24   ` Alex Williamson
2022-10-28 18:40     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-31 22:45       ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-07 13:19         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-07 15:18           ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2022-11-07 15:32             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-07 18:05               ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-07 18:45                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08 22:55                   ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-09  1:05                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-09  3:21                       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-09 13:11                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10  2:44                           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-09 18:28                       ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-10 19:19                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-25 18:17 ` [PATCH 05/10] vfio: Use IOMMU_CAP_ENFORCE_CACHE_COHERENCY for vfio_file_enforced_coherent() Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01  7:52   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-01 12:26     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-03  4:38       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-04 19:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-25 18:50 ` [PATCH 06/10] vfio-iommufd: Allow iommufd to be used in place of a container fd Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01  8:09   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-01  9:19     ` Nicolin Chen
2022-11-01 11:51       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-03  4:39         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-01 12:40     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-02  7:28   ` Yi Liu
2022-11-07 23:45     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-25 18:50 ` [PATCH 07/10] vfio-iommufd: Support iommufd for physical VFIO devices Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01  8:21   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-04 19:51     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-25 18:50 ` [PATCH 08/10] vfio-iommufd: Support iommufd for emulated " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01  8:37   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-01 12:49     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-03  4:52       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-10-25 18:50 ` [PATCH 09/10] vfio: Make vfio_container optionally compiled Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01  8:41   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-01 12:56     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-25 18:50 ` [PATCH 10/10] iommufd: Allow iommufd to supply /dev/vfio/vfio Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-26 21:31   ` Alex Williamson
2022-10-28 18:44     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-31 22:53       ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-07 13:57         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-28 23:53 ` [PATCH 00/10] Connect VFIO to IOMMUFD Nicolin Chen
2022-10-28 23:54   ` Nicolin Chen
2022-10-31 10:38 ` Yi Liu
2022-10-31 12:18   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-10-31 12:25     ` Yi Liu
2022-10-31 23:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01  3:04         ` Yi Liu
2022-11-01  4:21           ` Nicolin Chen
2022-11-01 12:54             ` Yi Liu
2022-11-01 11:41           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-01 12:55             ` Yi Liu

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