From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>
Cc: intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
leonro@nvidia.com, francois.dugast@intel.com,
thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com,
himal.prasad.ghimiray@intel.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 06/11] drm/pagemap: Add IOVA interface to DRM pagemap
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2026 15:35:09 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260128193509.GU1641016@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aXpYrfUmEaaOsse8@lstrano-desk.jf.intel.com>
On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 10:42:53AM -0800, Matthew Brost wrote:
> Yes, this is exactly what I envision here. First, let me explain the
> possible addressing modes on the UAL fabric:
>
> - Physical (akin to IOMMU passthrough)
> - Virtual (akin to IOMMU enabled)
>
> Physical mode is straightforward — resolve the PFN to a cross-device
> physical address, then install it into the initiator’s page tables along
> with a bit indicating routing over the network. In this mode, the vfuncs
> here are basically NOPs.
Ugh of course they would invent something so complicated.
I'm not convinced this should be hidden inside DRM. The DMA API is the
place to make things mappable and for an open standard like UALink it
would make sense that the DMA API is the broker to connect things as
it will be more than just one GPU driver talking to itself.
There is a journey to get there, but I don't think it is too
complicated. It also probably ties in fairly nicely with the ideas
coming for multi path PCIe fabrics.
> So, if it isn’t clear — these vfuncs hide whether PCIe P2P is being used
> (IOMMU in passthrough or enabled) or UAL is being used (physical or
> virtual) for DRM common layer. They manage the resources for the
> connection and provide the information needed to program the initiator
> PTEs (address + “use interconnect” vs. “use PCIe P2P bit”).
This looks like it is taking the DMA API and sticking drm_ in front of
it :( I don't think this is a good direction for the kernel, DRM
should not be internally building such key infrastructure.
I'm confident we will see NICs and storage wired up to these fabrics
as well.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-28 19:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-28 0:48 [RFC PATCH v3 00/11] Use new dma-map IOVA alloc, link, and sync API in GPU SVM and DRM pagemap Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/11] drm/pagemap: Add helper to access zone_device_data Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 13:53 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/11] drm/gpusvm: Use dma-map IOVA alloc, link, and sync API in GPU SVM Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 14:04 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/11] drm/pagemap: Split drm_pagemap_migrate_map_pages into device / system Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/11] drm/pagemap: Use dma-map IOVA alloc, link, and sync API for DRM pagemap Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 14:28 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-01-28 17:46 ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 17:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-28 19:29 ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 19:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-28 19:45 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-01-28 21:04 ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-29 10:14 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-01-29 18:22 ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/11] drm/pagemap: Reduce number of IOVA link calls Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/11] drm/pagemap: Add IOVA interface to DRM pagemap Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 15:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-28 18:42 ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 19:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-01-28 20:24 ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-29 18:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-29 19:28 ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-29 19:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-28 19:41 ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/11] drm/xe: Stub out DRM pagemap IOVA alloc implementation Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/11] drm/pagemap: Use device-to-device IOVA alloc, link, and sync API for DRM pagemap Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/11] drm/xe: Drop BO dma-resv lock during SVM migrate-to-device Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/11] drm/xe: Implement DRM pagemap IOVA vfuncs Matthew Brost
2026-01-28 0:48 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/11] drm/gpusvm: Use device-to-device IOVA alloc, link, and sync API in GPU SVM Matthew Brost
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