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From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
To: Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Werner Sembach <wse@tuxedocomputers.com>,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org,
	linux-leds@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay?
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:40:18 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sf61bm8t.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANiq72mfP+dOLFR352O0UNVF8m8yTi_VmOY1zzQdTBjPWCRowg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 9:56 PM Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
>>
>> So... a bit of rationale. The keyboard does not really fit into the
>> LED subsystem; LEDs are expected to be independent ("hdd led") and not
>> a matrix of them.
>
> Makes sense.
>
>> We do see various strange displays these days -- they commonly have
>> rounded corners and holes in them. I'm not sure how that's currently
>> supported, but I believe it is reasonable to view keyboard as a
>> display with slightly weird placing of pixels.
>>
>> Plus, I'd really like to play tetris on one of those :-).
>>
>> So, would presenting them as auxdisplay be acceptable? Or are there
>> better options?
>
> It sounds like a fair use case -- auxdisplay are typically simple
> character-based or small graphical displays, e.g. 128x64, that may not
> be a "main" / usual screen as typically understood, but the concept is
> a bit fuzzy and we are a bit of a catch-all.
>
> And "keyboard backlight display with a pixel/color per-key" does not
> sound like a "main" screen, and having some cute effects displayed
> there are the kind of thing that one could do in the usual small
> graphical ones too. :)
>
> But if somebody prefers to create new categories (or subcategories
> within auxdisplay) to hold these, that could be nice too (in the
> latter case, I would perhaps suggest reorganizing all of the existing
> ones while at it).

One could also reasonably make the argument that controlling the
individual keyboard key backlights should be part of the input
subsystem. It's not a display per se. (Unless you actually have small
displays on the keycaps, and I think that's a thing too.)

There's force feedback, there could be light feedback? There's also
drivers/input/input-leds.c for the keycaps that have leds, like caps
lock, num lock, etc.

Anyway, just throwing ideas around, no strong opinions, really.


BR,
Jani.


-- 
Jani Nikula, Intel

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-23 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2023-10-13 14:54           ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 19:56             ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-13 20:03               ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-16 10:57               ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-23 11:40                 ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2023-10-23 11:44                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-11-20 20:53                     ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-20 20:52                   ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-21 11:33                     ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-21 12:20                       ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-21 13:29                         ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-22 18:34                           ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-27 10:59                             ` Werner Sembach
2023-12-29 19:13                               ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-17 15:26                               ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 16:50                               ` Userspace API for per key backlight for non HID (no hidraw) keyboards Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 19:03                                 ` Armin Wolf
2024-01-18  0:58                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-18 17:45                               ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Pavel Machek
2024-01-18 22:32                                 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19  8:44                                 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-19 10:51                                   ` Jani Nikula
2024-01-19 16:06                                     ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 18:33                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2024-01-19 22:14                                       ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-23 16:51                                         ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 15:19                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 16:04                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-29 13:24                                     ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 11:12                                       ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 17:10                                         ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 18:01                                           ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 18:09                                           ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 18:35                                             ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 19:08                                               ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 19:46                                                 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-31 11:41                                                   ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux Werner Sembach
2024-01-31 15:52                                                     ` Roderick Colenbrander
2024-02-21 11:12                                                     ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2 Werner Sembach
2024-02-21 22:17                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-22  9:04                                                         ` Pekka Paalanen
2024-02-22 17:38                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-23  8:53                                                             ` Pekka Paalanen
2024-07-23 20:40                                                               ` Keybaords with arrays of RGB LEDs was " Pavel Machek
2024-02-23  9:21                                                             ` Thomas Zimmermann
2024-02-22 10:46                                                         ` Hans de Goede
2024-02-22 11:38                                                           ` Gregor Riepl
2024-02-22 12:39                                                             ` Hans de Goede
2024-02-22 13:14                                                               ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v3 Werner Sembach
2024-03-18 11:11                                                                 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-19 15:18                                                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 14:18                                                                     ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-25 17:01                                                                       ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 11:16                                                                 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 11:33                                                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 18:45                                                                     ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 14:25                                                                   ` In kernel virtual HID devices (was Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v3) Hans de Goede
2024-03-25 15:56                                                                     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-25 16:48                                                                       ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 18:30                                                                         ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-26  7:57                                                                           ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-26 15:39                                                                             ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-26 16:57                                                                               ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-27 11:03                                                                                 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-28 23:52                                                                                   ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-27 11:01                                                                               ` Hans de Goede
2024-07-24 17:36                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2024-07-24 21:05                                                                           ` Werner Sembach
2024-07-24 21:08                                                                           ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 18:38                                                                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-04-09 13:33                                                                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-02-22 17:42                                                               ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2 Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 17:52                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 17:23                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-23  8:33                                                         ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 20:15                                   ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Pavel Machek
2024-01-19 20:22                                     ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 20:32                                       ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-29 13:24                                     ` Hans de Goede

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