dri-devel.lists.freedesktop.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Konstantinos Margaritis <markos-sEEEE4iEDtaXzmuOJsdVMQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Dave Martin <dave.martin-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linaro-dev-cunTk1MwBs8s++Sfvej+rw@public.gmane.org,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
	<curious-APZTmCvJ1e4cvTeJY7g42e4opr6GJZWbqwyb7XGsRfw@public.gmane.org>,
	dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Freescale Linux BSP review
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:46:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTikCPqqjhU+QtYtpYusgQfOBAtK2vWX3b6gidaFF@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1012221411330.10437-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>

On 22 December 2010 21:22, Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org> wrote:
> Having accommodations in the kernel for proprietary drivers is not a
> mutual benefit anymore.  That might be hard to understand from your
> point of view, but the incentives in the Open Source communities aren't
> based on commercial results.

DISCLAIMER: I'm also a Debian developer -have been since 1999 with a
small 2y break- so I _do_ know the F/OSS community point of view. My
goals have been always in promoting open source and free software
solutions when and when not available. Right now open source solutions
are _not_ available, and that is the problem.

I haven't reversed engineered any driver so I can't claim of knowledge in this
matter. However I've been following closely other such projects like nouveau
and it took them a _long_ time to get to this point here -which may be usable
for many people, but it's not even at a beta state according to the Nouveau
developers. Even if we assume the fact that 10 times more ARM F/OSS
developers gather to reverse engineer the binary blobs, how long do you think
it would take until a beta driver appears? 1 year? 2 years? And what will happen
in the meantime?

I'm not advocating that closed source drivers be included in the
kernel, but IMHO,
having an open kernel-space driver would also help the reverse engineering
process at the same time as allowing common users as well as developers to
use and test any 3D applications -don't forget that 3D problems don't
end at the driver,
rather the opposite.

Konstantinos

_______________________________________________
linaro-dev mailing list
linaro-dev@lists.linaro.org
http://lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/linaro-dev

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-12-22 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <A0FE16A2704AB741A3E0B2C29D6E77FF015710@039-SN1MPN1-004.039d.mgd.msft.net>
     [not found] ` <AANLkTinV7C90jy=DdLMO6=_dti6TsTCRsD8o3tTT0J=3@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTimu8MKUoF7ywpkdGXdLocDp9e_5ya-0Rh0JFhhx@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <AANLkTimu8MKUoF7ywpkdGXdLocDp9e_5ya-0Rh0JFhhx-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-13 15:18       ` Freescale Linux BSP review Arnd Bergmann
2010-12-13 16:11         ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]           ` <AANLkTikqKb238p5kdwWu55-e5rr9CfP8gPdYE=ztpms_-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-14  2:04             ` Jammy Zhou
2010-12-14  2:06               ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                 ` <AANLkTinRdmfL+Jce_gRwuWP_F-G82a9hsUwtH8H-+_N5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-14  2:30                   ` Jammy Zhou
2010-12-14  2:35                     ` Jerome Glisse
2010-12-14  8:42         ` Dave Airlie
     [not found]         ` <201012131618.04298.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-14  1:59           ` Jammy Zhou
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTikpN0ALBKmhaT6eQG2oecti-81FPB80OPp3+VcS-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-14  2:35               ` Eric Miao
     [not found]                 ` <AANLkTikNW7T2_=UMB=uf7w+fW5V7FX0wA4jrx8J=2EZL-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-14  8:59                   ` Marcin Juszkiewicz
2010-12-14 13:15                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-12-20 16:18           ` Matt Sealey
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTinGNK3Jv5wfjmAzwvV3xcKsTVcO7PLb+v7Py0TX-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-20 17:17               ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                 ` <AANLkTikgXy8jr5Obxk9CYTX8BUvsOiO5sMpUsEcsdQxV-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-20 17:41                   ` Matt Sealey
     [not found]                     ` <AANLkTikxidr1eFmMxFNWGLmpN4Kn1MTcDiX52yUXBbR7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-20 18:07                       ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                         ` <AANLkTimO9gQ3uOor3DBW8=EAe8-cVPz9jm9-UmGv1GhV-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-20 19:29                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-12-20 20:14                     ` Alan Cox
2010-12-20 19:54               ` Dave Airlie
2010-12-20 20:09                 ` Alan Cox
2010-12-21  2:17                   ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1012210313040.9770-APZTmCvJ1e4cvTeJY7g42e4opr6GJZWbqwyb7XGsRfw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-21 11:50                       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                         ` <201012211250.10793.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-21 17:29                           ` Matt Sealey
2010-12-21 19:12                             ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                             ` <AANLkTimotkPt5fc8-3DPSK5urD-1+XroagLcFdhjc4zu-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22  1:32                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-12-22  1:54                                 ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
     [not found]                                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1012220252230.9770-APZTmCvJ1e4cvTeJY7g42e4opr6GJZWbqwyb7XGsRfw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22  2:36                                     ` Dave Airlie
2010-12-22  3:07                                       ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
     [not found]                                 ` <AANLkTikENVUbf76ck6XeXC0+na9-EpEtWgjS_mD2G26--JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22  7:51                                   ` Matt Sealey
     [not found]                                     ` <AANLkTinKO8UHO8RcrVHyZi3jbi_Y==-HZ86eBnfXBgZ--JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 11:02                                       ` Konstantinos Margaritis
     [not found]                                         ` <AANLkTikmK+SOupH3WsB338QQ=Wwg6dGgaM6SfK_XxUC9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 11:49                                           ` David Rusling
     [not found]                                             ` <865A2CE2-D623-4478-A96B-6DF7942AEC39-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 17:20                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                                                 ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1012221006130.10437-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 17:38                                                   ` Tom Gall
     [not found]                                                     ` <AANLkTimbn4FBQM0FQCyuweTE7g0__T5rnvpcPrZdGDuN-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 18:23                                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-12-22 18:39                                                 ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
     [not found]                                                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1012221932410.9770-APZTmCvJ1e4cvTeJY7g42e4opr6GJZWbqwyb7XGsRfw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 18:49                                                     ` Konstantinos Margaritis
     [not found]                                                       ` <AANLkTi=Zo=Y=9170DCp1_7uzwePzmzXxxroobXzExHOM-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 19:22                                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                                                           ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1012221411330.10437-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 19:46                                                             ` Konstantinos Margaritis [this message]
     [not found]                                                               ` <AANLkTikCPqqjhU+QtYtpYusgQfOBAtK2vWX3b6gidaFF-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 20:09                                                                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-12-22 20:29                                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-12-22 23:52                                                                   ` Xavier Bestel
2010-12-23  0:19                                                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-12-22 20:30                                                               ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
2010-12-22 20:20                                                       ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
2010-12-23 17:17                                               ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                                 ` <20101223171701.72cb14db-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-23 17:40                                                   ` David Rusling
2010-12-22 18:23                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2010-12-23 16:46                               ` Alan Cox
2010-12-23 16:07             ` Matthew Garrett

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=AANLkTikCPqqjhU+QtYtpYusgQfOBAtK2vWX3b6gidaFF@mail.gmail.com \
    --to=markos-seeee4iedtaxzmuojsdvmq@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=curious-APZTmCvJ1e4cvTeJY7g42e4opr6GJZWbqwyb7XGsRfw@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=dave.martin-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=linaro-dev-cunTk1MwBs8s++Sfvej+rw@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=nicolas.pitre-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).