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From: Emil Velikov <emil.l.velikov@gmail.com>
To: Jason Ekstrand <jason@jlekstrand.net>
Cc: ML mesa-dev <mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	ML dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Dylan Baker <dylan@pnwbakers.com>
Subject: Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC libdrm 0/2] Replace the build system with meson
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:55:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACvgo52o3wKPG-MSfVoOjQmcRXvCONjjCqZmaLMwrYO+nuUEAA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <15ada012eb8.277a.c6988b7ea6112e3e892765a0d4287e0c@jlekstrand.net>

Seems like we ended up all over the place, so let me try afresh.

Above all:
 - Saying "I don't care" about your users is arrogant - let us _not_
do that, please ?
Even Linux distribution maintainers have responded that "upstream does
not care us", which is indicative that we should be more careful what
we say.

For the rest - we're dealing with two orthogonal issues here:

* Multiple build systems
I believe we'll all agree that I might be the person who's been in all
the build systems the most.
Yes I _would_ _love_ to drop it all but we simply _cannot_ do that yet:
 - [currently] there is no viable solution for Android
 - dropping the Autotools will lead to OpenBSD and NetBSD having to
write one from scratch, IIRC Solaris/FreeBSD and others are in similar
boat.
These projects have been getting closer to upstream and "forcing" the
extra obstacle is effectively giving them the middle finger.

* Slow build times
Before we jump into "the next cool thing", let us properly utilise
what we have at the moment.
 - I've asked multiple times about numbers behind those "let's make
the build faster" patches, but never got any :-\
 - I can improve things but would need access to a fancy XX core
system to do rudimentary benchmarks/checks and test patches.

Thanks
Emil
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-20 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-16 21:25 [RFC libdrm 0/2] Replace the build system with meson Dylan Baker
2017-03-16 21:25 ` [RFC libdrm 1/2] Port build system to meson Dylan Baker
2017-03-16 21:25 ` [RFC libdrm 2/2] remove autotools build Dylan Baker
2017-03-16 21:32 ` [RFC libdrm 0/2] Replace the build system with meson Ilia Mirkin
2017-03-16 21:57   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-17 10:05     ` Neil Armstrong
2017-03-16 22:36 ` Marek Olšák
2017-03-16 23:11   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-17  1:53     ` Marek Olšák
2017-03-17  4:15       ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-17 21:18         ` Marek Olšák
2017-03-22 17:26   ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-22 17:50     ` [Mesa-dev] " Marek Olšák
2017-03-16 23:35 ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-17  0:21   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-17  0:41     ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-17  2:03       ` Jason Ekstrand
2017-03-17  2:28         ` Brian Paul
2017-03-22 17:59           ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-22 20:57             ` [Mesa-dev] " Dylan Baker
2017-03-22 22:02               ` Rob Clark
2017-03-22 22:15                 ` Eric Anholt
2017-03-22 22:33                   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-24 14:03               ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-24 14:22                 ` [Mesa-dev] " Daniel Stone
2017-03-24 15:47                   ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-25 20:15                     ` [Mesa-dev] " Rob Clark
2017-03-24 16:23                 ` Bas Nieuwenhuizen
2017-03-17  4:12         ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-17  6:02           ` Jonathan Gray
2017-03-20 13:55         ` Emil Velikov [this message]
2017-03-20 18:30           ` Matt Turner
2017-03-20 19:39             ` [Mesa-dev] " Emil Velikov
2017-03-20 21:28               ` Timothy Arceri
2017-03-20 21:38                 ` Jason Ekstrand
2017-03-21  5:00                 ` Jonathan Gray
2017-03-21 16:00                   ` Matt Turner
2017-03-23 12:23                   ` Jonathan Gray
2017-03-23 18:31                   ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-21 15:57               ` [Mesa-dev] " Matt Turner
2017-03-21 17:16                 ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-21 18:06                   ` Matt Turner
2017-03-21 18:56                     ` [Mesa-dev] " Emil Velikov
2017-03-21 19:08                       ` Jason Ekstrand
2017-03-21 19:10                       ` [Mesa-dev] " Matt Turner
2017-03-22 17:16                         ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-24 20:59                     ` Chad Versace
2017-03-24 20:44                 ` [Mesa-dev] " Chad Versace
2017-03-28 16:59                   ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-28 23:19                     ` Timothy Arceri
2017-03-21  5:10             ` Jonathan Gray
2017-03-21 16:11               ` [Mesa-dev] " Matt Turner
2017-03-24 16:58             ` randyf
2017-03-20 19:29           ` Rob Clark
2017-03-21 14:44 ` Jani Nikula
2017-03-21 15:13   ` Grazvydas Ignotas
2017-03-21 15:15     ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-03-21 16:16     ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-21 16:22   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-22  4:23     ` [Mesa-dev] " Jonathan Gray
2017-03-22  8:24     ` Jani Nikula
2017-03-22 21:05       ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-23  8:13         ` Jani Nikula
2017-03-21 16:50 ` Kai Wasserbäch
2017-03-21 17:34   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-21 18:36     ` [Mesa-dev] " Kai Wasserbäch
2017-03-21 21:16       ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-22 16:40 ` Alex Deucher
2017-03-22 17:07   ` Rob Clark
2017-03-22 20:10     ` [Mesa-dev] " Dylan Baker
2017-03-22 21:48       ` Rob Clark
2017-03-23 21:56         ` Greg Hackmann
2017-03-23 22:14           ` Colin Cross
2017-03-23 23:56             ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-24  0:03               ` [Mesa-dev] " Colin Cross
2017-03-24 16:54                 ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-23  1:18       ` [Mesa-dev] " Jonathan Gray
2017-03-23  1:38         ` Rob Clark
2017-03-24 13:42           ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-24 17:13             ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-24 17:51               ` Eric Anholt
2017-03-24 18:34                 ` [Mesa-dev] " Daniel Stone
2017-03-24 19:10             ` Kristian Høgsberg
2017-03-24 19:44               ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-24 20:08                 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2017-03-24 21:16                   ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-24 21:20                     ` Jason Ekstrand
2017-03-24 21:34                     ` [Mesa-dev] " Rob Clark
2017-03-25  1:25                     ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-24 21:09               ` [Mesa-dev] " Rob Clark
2017-03-23 11:39       ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-23 17:54         ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-25  1:06         ` Kenneth Graunke
2017-03-22 22:30   ` [Mesa-dev] " Eric Anholt

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