From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (gabe.freedesktop.org [131.252.210.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 196BFC02192 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BB710E0BE; Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: gabe.freedesktop.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=ffwll.ch header.i=@ffwll.ch header.b="UFgn9lps"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from mail-wm1-f52.google.com (mail-wm1-f52.google.com [209.85.128.52]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E447E10E0BE for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm1-f52.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-436202dd730so619105e9.2 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2025 10:52:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ffwll.ch; s=google; t=1738781572; x=1739386372; darn=lists.freedesktop.org; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references :mail-followup-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ePVNd0w+sVoa196Zz6yKJq58LAUrkT1uJTWGzJaE14w=; b=UFgn9lpsTcUJ2zqAW/NrbFa49wthnB/RY351mNfAAfSUlBLddrjWNMQfDsArRMtvFe S5Jyg0V/IFefauKejI9SZVkjmXcOzS25hgEEdOGx5OQOIQYPhTYNCSKI7GOv9YqaeMto 2v296IKrxDrSLTN6yiV0G5+09lZqPXIyYxGxk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1738781572; x=1739386372; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references :mail-followup-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ePVNd0w+sVoa196Zz6yKJq58LAUrkT1uJTWGzJaE14w=; b=vbbIWF5+DDhlXFXLvWTYlj37fKTw5oBOOfNSEOoiJqPZULOL4Q785UIWO+IiQDxwtt xgrww7df+x5SmkXNvydd+dQYSTcnKqi4jmMmIMOjeI7E1M/0V/jTKDyBVQm/6rYBcxyh VlSqGeC+GJByKXfEm3LwJo+D77aCtM3F6AZDq1Jgr6tgh6G00Lc32cWElN/PsOmmWrJf v07kAn20lds7i6hw69nM3F8RC1yXhoOFjqnaqA9fh78RW0V5C/Q0vdcYvJKkdg1Ax+J+ 5YsDI34sEXg3WTNfwBC5nEkSX2yJ7/ZZVXW5rLE6UcdV9fSQ8W46NZJwUDMr23RJAyLh AyEg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXr/rmmKpw06JMtJb7vNdmyEKEO5Dkw6kgjBlmAoeTzzEl1FqtCXPXhQC8Ll4YOYmfE3/zdQYYZkU8=@lists.freedesktop.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yy4AfTYZQPJoQedHP66FGJXi3Hn1v3RVGsWbYfILK8rc/FRKVit +HA9pLcbvkDMfNGEVtBeukIvL+ikgbKauCBL/R5B4cR3R7ADifjv/gbAVklPSEA= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuzMVU6H5fhbcE2xoPkdiPQi8zwpkiZaY+dTHdEwYC1W5+jbaLht1rTMU8Ng2z Tn+gz3VKOaHlCeQZq/YHJXDhI16Bt86MdRkoAHSjZbAwEVWKtw8jcZAAxPQoJlRb2qy+5wD50iB zzbG+3WbceEKYHGQQTyN0M0OIY81xbBFvxI/js3fkHy8pGc1srrEGc1NSfggjK5YPO6FWErQPan oqsnAKrJ2CcsVMEGb3CixBLbMIV0pGagbGj1KIYNRh+JFIiqlcudcZgJLItpCazUEqP7REUbRsn RCi7EMbz4OTRfGPSrzF+alnYRCE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFj/bNfkP952mgSDtZ9yP9hHw6wGl45/r2VXPQTulXqtOd73dZIJPv3lk+l159xaf5CNE6cdw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:1d9d:b0:434:ffe3:bc7d with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-4390d43d796mr41071805e9.16.1738781571766; Wed, 05 Feb 2025 10:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from phenom.ffwll.local ([2a02:168:57f4:0:5485:d4b2:c087:b497]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-4390db11264sm29164665e9.35.2025.02.05.10.52.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 05 Feb 2025 10:52:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2025 19:52:48 +0100 From: Simona Vetter To: Hector Martin Cc: Jason Gunthorpe , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , phasta@kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig , Danilo Krummrich , Miguel Ojeda , Abdiel Janulgue , daniel.almeida@collabora.com, aliceryhl@google.com, robin.murphy@arm.com, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, Miguel Ojeda , Alex Gaynor , Boqun Feng , Gary Guo , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Roy Baron , Benno Lossin , Andreas Hindborg , Trevor Gross , Valentin Obst , open list , Marek Szyprowski , airlied@redhat.com, "open list:DMA MAPPING HELPERS" , DRI Development Subject: On community influencing (was Re: [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Hector Martin , Jason Gunthorpe , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , phasta@kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig , Danilo Krummrich , Miguel Ojeda , Abdiel Janulgue , daniel.almeida@collabora.com, aliceryhl@google.com, robin.murphy@arm.com, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, Miguel Ojeda , Alex Gaynor , Boqun Feng , Gary Guo , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Roy Baron , Benno Lossin , Andreas Hindborg , Trevor Gross , Valentin Obst , open list , Marek Szyprowski , airlied@redhat.com, "open list:DMA MAPPING HELPERS" , DRI Development References: <20250128092334.GA28548@lst.de> <293df3d54bad446e8fd527f204c6dc301354e340.camel@mailbox.org> <20250130154646.GA2298732@nvidia.com> <2025013030-gummy-cosmic-7927@gregkh> <20250130172437.GN5556@nvidia.com> <2025013148-reversal-pessimism-1515@gregkh> <20250131135421.GO5556@nvidia.com> <2b9b75d1-eb8e-494a-b05f-59f75c92e6ae@marcan.st> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2b9b75d1-eb8e-494a-b05f-59f75c92e6ae@marcan.st> X-Operating-System: Linux phenom 6.12.11-amd64 X-BeenThere: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Direct Rendering Infrastructure - Development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Sender: "dri-devel" On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 03:46:14AM +0900, Hector Martin wrote: > Adding Linus > > My 2c: If Linus doesn't pipe up with an authoritative answer to this > thread, Miguel and the other Rust folks should just merge this series > once it is reviewed and ready, ignoring Christoph's overt attempt at > sabotaging the project. If Linus pulls it, what Christoph says doesn't > matter. If Linus doesn't pull it, the R4L project is essentially dead > until either Linus or Christoph make a move. Everything else is beating > around the bush. > > Rust folks: Please don't waste your time and mental cycles on drama like > this. It's not worth your time. Either Linus likes it, or he doesn't. > Everything else is distractions orchestrated by a subset of saboteur > maintainers who are trying to demoralize you until you give up, because > they know they're going to be on the losing side of history sooner or > later. No amount of sabotage from old entrenched maintainers is going to > stop the world from moving forward towards memory-safe languages. > > FWIW, in my opinion, the "cancer" comment from Christoph would be enough > to qualify for Code-of-Conduct action, but I doubt anything of the sort > will happen. Yeah no. https://chaos.social/@sima/113942119012147959 This was about you, because typing a proper answer takes a bit longer. It was also about your toots on fedi, like this: https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/113941468353031993 And "haha it's only a joke" does not work with your public profile and following. I do understand the frustration and temptation to just burn it all to the ground, head the call of the sirens, or maybe for me more pick up goat farming in the Swiss Alps. But you can't have it both and expect to also be part of and contribute to the same community. And personally I don't appreciate getting drenched in gasoline while I'm trying to quench flames on the ground. And this isn't the first time or the second, by now it's a pretty clear pattern over some years. And with the first I could explain why you react like that and you had my full understanding, but eventually that runs a bit thin as an excuse. Now I'm left with the unlikely explanation that you just like thundering in as the cavalry, fashionably late, maximally destructive, because it entertains the masses on fedi or reddit or wherever. I have no idea what you're trying to achieve here, I really don't get it, but I am for sure fed up dealing with the fallout. Cheers, Sima -- Simona Vetter Software Engineer, Intel Corporation http://blog.ffwll.ch