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From: Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>
To: Asahi Lina <lina@asahilina.net>
Cc: robdclark@chromium.org, thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com,
	airlied@linux.ie, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	christian.koenig@amd.com, boris.brezillon@collabora.com,
	intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org, faith.ekstrand@collabora.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/10] Xe DRM scheduler and long running workload plans
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 01:58:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZCuEP2NnOich9kuI@DUT025-TGLU.fm.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50fff1d4-9982-d60d-23e0-66c2020af5bf@asahilina.net>

On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 10:07:48AM +0900, Asahi Lina wrote:
> Hi, thanks for the Cc!
> 

No problem.

> On 04/04/2023 09.22, Matthew Brost wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > As a prerequisite to merging the new Intel Xe DRM driver [1] [2], we
> > have been asked to merge our common DRM scheduler patches first as well
> > as develop a common solution for long running workloads with the DRM
> > scheduler. This RFC series is our first attempt at doing this. We
> > welcome any and all feedback.
> > 
> > This can we thought of as 4 parts detailed below.
> > 
> > - DRM scheduler changes for 1 to 1 relationship between scheduler and
> > entity (patches 1-3)
> > 
> > In Xe all of the scheduling of jobs is done by a firmware scheduler (the
> > GuC) which is a new paradigm WRT to the DRM scheduler and presents
> > severals problems as the DRM was originally designed to schedule jobs on
> > hardware queues. The main problem being that DRM scheduler expects the
> > submission order of jobs to be the completion order of jobs even across
> > multiple entities. This assumption falls apart with a firmware scheduler
> > as a firmware scheduler has no concept of jobs and jobs can complete out
> > of order. A novel solution for was originally thought of by Faith during
> > the initial prototype of Xe, create a 1 to 1 relationship between scheduler
> > and entity. I believe the AGX driver [3] is using this approach and
> > Boris may use approach as well for the Mali driver [4].
> > 
> > To support a 1 to 1 relationship we move the main execution function
> > from a kthread to a work queue and add a new scheduling mode which
> > bypasses code in the DRM which isn't needed in a 1 to 1 relationship.
> > The new scheduling mode should unify all drivers usage with a 1 to 1
> > relationship and can be thought of as using scheduler as a dependency /
> > infligt job tracker rather than a true scheduler.
> 
> Yup, we're in the exact same situation with drm/asahi, so this is very
> welcome! We've been using the existing scheduler as-is, but this should help
> remove some unneeded complexity in this use case.
>

That's the idea.

> Do you want me to pull in this series into our tree and make sure this all
> works out for us?
>

We tested this in Xe and it definitely works for us but the more testing
the better.

> I also have a couple bugfixes for drm/sched I need to send out, but I think
> the rebase/merge with this series should be trivial. I'll send that out this
> week.
> 
> > - Generic messaging interface for DRM scheduler
> > 
> > Idea is to be able to communicate to the submission backend with in band
> > (relative to main execution function) messages. Messages are backend
> > defined and flexable enough for any use case. In Xe we use these
> > messages to clean up entites, set properties for entites, and suspend /
> > resume execution of an entity [5]. I suspect other driver can leverage
> > this messaging concept too as it a convenient way to avoid races in the
> > backend.
> 
> We haven't needed this so far (mostly by using fine-grained locking and
> refcounting all over the place) but I can see it being useful to simplify
> some of those constructs and maybe avoid potential deadlocks in some places.
> I'm not sure yet whether we can fully get rid of the main queue
> refcounting/locking (our completion/error signaling path doesn't map well to
> DMA fences directly so we still need something there to get from the global
> GPU completion signaling thread to individual queues) but it might be a step
> in the right direction at least!
>

With this messaging interface we essentially have a lockless submission
backend which is really nice compared to what we did in the i915.

Matt

> ~~ Lina
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-04  1:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-04  0:22 [RFC PATCH 00/10] Xe DRM scheduler and long running workload plans Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 01/10] drm/sched: Convert drm scheduler to use a work queue rather than kthread Matthew Brost
2023-06-09  6:58   ` Boris Brezillon
2023-07-31  0:56     ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 02/10] drm/sched: Move schedule policy to scheduler / entity Matthew Brost
2023-04-05 17:37   ` Luben Tuikov
2023-04-05 18:29     ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 03/10] drm/sched: Add DRM_SCHED_POLICY_SINGLE_ENTITY scheduling policy Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 04/10] drm/sched: Add generic scheduler message interface Matthew Brost
2023-05-04  5:28   ` Luben Tuikov
2023-07-31  2:42     ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 05/10] drm/sched: Start run wq before TDR in drm_sched_start Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 06/10] drm/sched: Submit job before starting TDR Matthew Brost
2023-05-04  5:23   ` Luben Tuikov
2023-07-31  1:00     ` Matthew Brost
2023-07-31  7:26       ` Boris Brezillon
2023-08-31 19:48         ` Luben Tuikov
2023-04-04  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 07/10] drm/sched: Add helper to set TDR timeout Matthew Brost
2023-05-04  5:28   ` Luben Tuikov
2023-07-31  1:09     ` Matthew Brost
2023-08-31 19:52       ` Luben Tuikov
2023-04-04  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 08/10] dma-buf/dma-fence: Introduce long-running completion fences Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  9:09   ` Christian König
2023-04-04 12:54     ` Thomas Hellström
2023-04-04 13:10       ` Christian König
2023-04-04 18:14         ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2023-04-04 19:02           ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04 19:25             ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-04 19:48               ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-05 13:09                 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-05 23:58                   ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-06  6:32                     ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-06 16:58                       ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-06 17:09                         ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-05 12:35               ` Thomas Hellström
2023-04-05 12:39                 ` Christian König
2023-04-05 12:45                   ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-05 14:08                     ` Christian König
2023-04-04 19:00         ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-04 20:03           ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04 20:11             ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-04 20:19               ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04 20:31                 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-04 20:46                   ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 09/10] drm/sched: Support long-running sched entities Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] drm/syncobj: Warn on long running dma-fences Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  1:07 ` [RFC PATCH 00/10] Xe DRM scheduler and long running workload plans Asahi Lina
2023-04-04  1:58   ` Matthew Brost [this message]
2023-04-08  7:05     ` Asahi Lina
2023-04-11 14:07       ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-12  5:47         ` Asahi Lina
2023-04-12  8:18           ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-17  0:03       ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  9:04 ` Christian König
2023-04-04 13:23   ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04  9:13 ` Christian König
2023-04-04 13:37   ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-05  7:41     ` Christian König
2023-04-05  8:34       ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-05  8:53         ` Christian König
2023-04-05  9:07           ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-05  9:57             ` Christian König
2023-04-05 10:12               ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-06  2:08                 ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-06  6:37                   ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-06 10:14                     ` Christian König
2023-04-06 10:32                       ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-04  9:43 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-04-04  9:48   ` Christian König
2023-04-04 13:43     ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04 13:52   ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-04 17:29     ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2023-04-04 19:07       ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-04 18:02 ` Zeng, Oak
2023-04-04 18:08   ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-05  7:30     ` Christian König
2023-04-05  8:42       ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-05 18:06       ` Zeng, Oak
2023-04-05 18:53         ` Matthew Brost
2023-04-06 10:04           ` Christian König
2023-04-07  0:20           ` Zeng, Oak
2023-04-11  9:02             ` Christian König
2023-04-11 14:13               ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-17  6:47                 ` Christian König
2023-04-17  8:39                   ` Daniel Vetter
2023-04-18 15:10 ` Liviu Dudau

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