From: Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>
To: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Cc: "Huang, Honglei1" <honghuan@amd.com>, <Alexander.Deucher@amd.com>,
<Felix.Kuehling@amd.com>, <Oak.Zeng@amd.com>,
<Jenny-Jing.Liu@amd.com>, <Philip.Yang@amd.com>,
<Xiaogang.Chen@amd.com>, <Ray.Huang@amd.com>,
<Lingshan.Zhu@amd.com>, <Junhua.Shen@amd.com>,
<rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>, <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>,
<dakr@kernel.org>, <aliceryhl@google.com>,
<amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC/POC PATCH 01/12] drm/amdgpu: add SVM UAPI definitions
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2026 23:48:19 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aecds3CWc99E1p6q@gsse-cloud1.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3d19f4c4-5173-4879-b2ee-7bdfb8aeee53@amd.com>
On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 08:19:54AM +0200, Christian König wrote:
> On 4/21/26 07:08, Matthew Brost wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 08:07:38PM +0200, Christian König wrote:
> >> On 4/20/26 18:06, Matthew Brost wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 05:37:43PM +0200, Christian König wrote:
> >>>> On 4/20/26 15:30, Huang, Honglei1 wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/20/2026 8:15 PM, Christian König wrote:
> ...
> >> Either you set the information per-device and then each device only gets the information if it needs to migrate the page to it's own local memory or you have global information.
> >>
> >> So why does a device fd needs to know about remote pgmap?
> >>
> >
> > Simplest example:
> >
> > Devices A and B. The user sets the preferred placement to Device A.
> > Device B faults first, and Device B moves memory to Device A via remote
> > pull and can access locally via P2P, scale-up, etc. Avoid a double
> > bounce once Device A faults.
>
> So you basically tell the device as soon as you want to access this VA please push the underlying memory away to a different device?
>
Yes. GPU SVM supports remote pulls.
> I didn't thought that would be a valid use case. As far as I can see the only thing you avoid is updating your page tables on the faulting device twice.
>
TBH, I’m unsure if this will happen in practice, but it also seems
entirely possible. Computers are asynchronous, have random thread
stalls, etc., so out-of-order from expected access isn’t far-fetched.
No on 'updating your page tables twice' being only bad thing.
In my example, let’s say Device B moves memory to itself initially. Then
Device A faults and tries to move the memory to itself.
Bad things:
- Two copies (one from sys->Device B, then Device B -> A)
- Device B faults again after move to Device A - this stalls B's
execution pipeline
Matt
> Thanks for the explanation, that was absolutely not obvious. Going to discuss that with the team on the next meeting.
>
> Christian.
>
> >
> > Matt
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-21 6:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-20 12:07 [RFC V2 00/12] drm/amdgpu: SVM implementation based on drm_gpusvm Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 01/12] drm/amdgpu: add SVM UAPI definitions Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:15 ` Christian König
2026-04-20 13:30 ` Huang, Honglei1
2026-04-20 15:37 ` Christian König
2026-04-20 16:06 ` Matthew Brost
2026-04-20 16:28 ` Thomas Hellström
2026-04-20 18:07 ` Christian König
2026-04-21 5:08 ` Matthew Brost
2026-04-21 6:19 ` Christian König
2026-04-21 6:48 ` Matthew Brost [this message]
2026-04-21 7:13 ` Christian König
2026-04-21 9:52 ` Huang, Honglei1
2026-04-23 6:21 ` Huang, Honglei1
2026-04-23 10:39 ` Christian König
2026-04-23 11:06 ` Huang, Honglei1
2026-04-23 20:02 ` Matthew Brost
2026-04-24 10:20 ` Huang, Honglei1
2026-04-24 10:12 ` Huang, Honglei1
2026-04-27 21:05 ` Felix Kuehling
2026-04-28 2:24 ` Huang, Honglei1
2026-04-28 6:49 ` Christian König
2026-04-28 7:00 ` Huang, Honglei1
2026-04-21 3:37 ` Kuehling, Felix
2026-04-21 6:39 ` Christian König
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 02/12] drm/amdgpu: add SVM data structures and header Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 03/12] drm/amdgpu: add SVM attribute data structures Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 04/12] drm/amdgpu: implement SVM attribute tree operations Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 05/12] drm/amdgpu: implement SVM attribute set Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 06/12] drm/amdgpu: add SVM range data structures Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 07/12] drm/amdgpu: implement SVM range PTE flags and GPU mapping Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 08/12] drm/amdgpu: implement SVM range notifier and invalidation Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 09/12] drm/amdgpu: implement SVM range workers Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 10/12] drm/amdgpu: implement SVM core initialization and fini Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 11/12] drm/amdgpu: implement SVM ioctl and fault handler Honglei Huang
2026-04-20 12:07 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 12/12] drm/amdgpu: wire up SVM build system " Honglei Huang
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-03-17 11:29 [RFC/POC PATCH 00/12] POC SVM implementation in AMDGPU based on drm_gpusvm Honglei Huang
2026-03-17 11:29 ` [RFC/POC PATCH 01/12] drm/amdgpu: add SVM UAPI definitions Honglei Huang
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