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From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Peter Colberg" <pcolberg@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/10] rust: pci: add abstractions for SR-IOV capability
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2026 19:02:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260304170249.GJ12611@unreal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260304164551.GG964116@ziepe.ca>

On Wed, Mar 04, 2026 at 12:45:51PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2026 at 06:27:11PM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 04, 2026 at 03:57:57PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > > On Wed Mar 4, 2026 at 3:26 PM CET, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2026 at 10:18:52AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > >> On Wed, Mar 04, 2026 at 10:47:50AM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 03, 2026 at 04:15:20PM -0500, Peter Colberg wrote:
> > > >> > > Add Rust abstractions for the Single Root I/O Virtualization (SR-IOV)
> > > >> > > capability of a PCI device. Provide a minimal set of wrappers for the
> > > >> > > SR-IOV C API to enable and disable SR-IOV for a device, and query if
> > > >> > > a PCI device is a Physical Function (PF) or Virtual Function (VF).
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > <...>
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > > For PF drivers written in C, disabling SR-IOV on remove() may be opted
> > > >> > > into by setting the flag managed_sriov in the pci_driver structure. For
> > > >> > > PF drivers written in Rust, disabling SR-IOV on unbind() is mandatory.
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > Why? Could you explain the rationale behind this difference between C and
> > > >> > Rust? Let me remind you that SR‑IOV devices which do not disable VFs do so
> > > >> > for a practical and well‑established reason: maximizing hardware
> > > >> > utilization.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Personally I think drivers doing this are wrong. That such a driver
> > > >> bug was allowed to become UAPI is pretty bad. The rust approach is
> > > >> better.
> > > >
> > > > We already had this discussion. I see this as a perfectly valid
> > > > use-case.
> > > 
> > > Can you remind about a specific use-case for this please? (Ideally, one that
> > > can't be solved otherwise.)
> > 
> > You create X VFs through sriov_configure, unbind PF, bind it to vfio
> > instead and forward (X + 1) functions to different VMs.
> 
> No, illegal, and it doesn't even work right. When VFIO FLRs the PF it
> will blow up the half baked SRIOV and break everything.

The FLR can be disabled. For example, PCI_DEV_FLAGS_NO_FLR_RESET flag
will do it.

> 
> VFIO already has its own sriov_config support, the right flow is to
> bind the PF to VFIO and then enable sriov and do your assignments.

VFIO started to support SR-IOV in 137e5531351d ("vfio/pci: Add
sriov_configure support"), which was added 8 years after VFIO core was
added cba3345cc494 ("vfio: VFIO core").

Thanks

> 
> Jason
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-04 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-03 21:15 [PATCH v3 00/10] rust: pci: add abstractions for SR-IOV capability Peter Colberg
2026-03-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] PCI: add driver flag to opt into disabling SR-IOV on remove() Peter Colberg
2026-03-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] fpga: dfl-pci: set driver flag to disable " Peter Colberg
2026-03-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] rust: pci: add {enable,disable}_sriov(), to control SR-IOV capability Peter Colberg
2026-03-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] rust: pci: add vtable attribute to pci::Driver trait Peter Colberg
2026-03-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] rust: pci: add bus callback sriov_configure(), to control SR-IOV from sysfs Peter Colberg
2026-03-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] rust: pci: add is_virtfn(), to check for VFs Peter Colberg
2026-03-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] rust: pci: add is_physfn(), to check for PFs Peter Colberg
2026-03-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] rust: pci: add num_vf(), to return number of VFs Peter Colberg
2026-03-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] rust: pci: add physfn(), to return PF device for VF device Peter Colberg
2026-03-03 21:15 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] samples: rust: add SR-IOV driver sample Peter Colberg
2026-03-04  8:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] rust: pci: add abstractions for SR-IOV capability Leon Romanovsky
2026-03-04 14:18   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-04 14:26     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-03-04 14:57       ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-04 16:27         ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-03-04 16:45           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-04 17:02             ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]
2026-03-04 17:45               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-04 17:50               ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-04 18:30                 ` Leon Romanovsky

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