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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: zlang@redhat.com, neal@gompa.dev, fstests@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	joannelkoong@gmail.com, bernd@bsbernd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/33] misc: adapt tests to handle the fuse ext[234] drivers
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 15:12:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251106231215.GC196366@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxjC+rFKrp3SMMabyBwSKOWDGGpVR7-5gyodGbH80ucnkA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2025 at 09:58:28AM +0100, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2025 at 11:53 PM Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 10:51:06AM +0100, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 2:22 AM Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org>
> > > >
> > > > It would be useful to be able to run fstests against the userspace
> > > > ext[234] driver program fuse2fs.  A convention (at least on Debian)
> > > > seems to be to install fuse drivers as /sbin/mount.fuse.XXX so that
> > > > users can run "mount -t fuse.XXX" to start a fuse driver for a
> > > > disk-based filesystem type XXX.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, we'll adopt the practice of setting FSTYP=fuse.ext4 to
> > > > test ext4 with fuse2fs.  Change all the library code as needed to handle
> > > > this new type alongside all the existing ext[234] checks, which seems a
> > > > little cleaner than FSTYP=fuse FUSE_SUBTYPE=ext4, which also would
> > > > require even more treewide cleanups to work properly because most
> > > > fstests code switches on $FSTYP alone.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I agree that FSTYP=fuse.ext4 is cleaner than
> > > FSTYP=fuse FUSE_SUBTYPE=ext4
> > > but it is not extendable to future (e.g. fuse.xfs)
> > > and it is still a bit ugly.
> > >
> > > Consider:
> > > FSTYP=fuse.ext4
> > > MKFSTYP=ext4
> > >
> > > I think this is the correct abstraction -
> > > fuse2fs/ext4 are formatted that same and mounted differently
> > >
> > > See how some of your patch looks nicer and naturally extends to
> > > the imaginary fuse.xfs...
> >
> > Maybe I'd rather do it the other way around for fuse4fs:
> >
> > FSTYP=ext4
> > MOUNT_FSTYP=fuse.ext4
> >
> 
> Sounds good. Will need to see the final patch.
> 
> > (obviously, MOUNT_FSTYP=$FSTYP if the test runner hasn't overridden it)
> >
> > Where $MOUNT_FSTYP is what you pass to mount -t and what you'd see in
> > /proc/mounts.  The only weirdness with that is that some of the helpers
> > will end up with code like:
> >
> >         case $FSTYP in
> >         ext4)
> >                 # do ext4 stuff
> >                 ;;
> >         esac
> >
> >         case $MOUNT_FSTYP in
> >         fuse.ext4)
> >                 # do fuse4fs stuff that overrides ext4
> >                 ;;
> >         esac
> >
> > which would be a little weird.
> >
> 
> Sounds weird, but there is always going to be weirdness
> somewhere - need to pick the least weird result or most
> easy to understand code IMO.
> 
> > _scratch_mount would end up with:
> >
> >         $MOUNT_PROG -t $MOUNT_FSTYP ...
> >
> > and detecting it would be
> >
> >         grep -q -w $MOUNT_FSTYP /proc/mounts || _fail "booooo"
> >
> > Hrm?
> 
> Those look obviously nice.
> 
> Maybe the answer is to have all MOUNT_FSTYP, MKFS_FSTYP
> and FSTYP and use whichever best fits in the context.

Hrmm well I would /like/ avoid adding MKFS_FSTYP since ext4 is ext4, no
matter whether we're using the kernel or fuse42fs.  Do you have a use
case for adding such a thing?

--D

> Thanks,
> Amir.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-06 23:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20251029002755.GK6174@frogsfrogsfrogs>
2025-10-29  0:42 ` [PATCHSET v6] fstests: support ext4 fuse testing Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:20   ` [PATCH 01/33] misc: adapt tests to handle the fuse ext[234] drivers Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-30  9:51     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-11-05 22:53       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-06  8:58         ` Amir Goldstein
2025-11-06 23:12           ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2025-11-07  7:50             ` Amir Goldstein
2025-11-07  7:08         ` Zorro Lang
2025-10-29  1:20   ` [PATCH 02/33] generic/740: don't run this test for fuse ext* implementations Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-30  9:59     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-11-05 22:56       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-06  9:02         ` Amir Goldstein
2025-10-29  1:21   ` [PATCH 03/33] ext/052: use popdir.pl for much faster directory creation Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:21   ` [PATCH 04/33] common/rc: skip test if swapon doesn't work Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-12  6:35     ` Baokun Li
2025-11-12 18:26       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-12 20:05         ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-11-12 22:29           ` [PATCH v6.1 " Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-13  1:51             ` Baokun Li
2025-11-13 15:52             ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-10-29  1:21   ` [PATCH 05/33] common/rc: streamline _scratch_remount Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:21   ` [PATCH 06/33] ext/039: require metadata journalling Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:22   ` [PATCH 07/33] populate: don't check for htree directories on fuse.ext4 Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:22   ` [PATCH 08/33] misc: convert _scratch_mount -o remount to _scratch_remount Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:22   ` [PATCH 09/33] misc: use explicitly $FSTYP'd mount calls Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:23   ` [PATCH 10/33] common/ext4: explicitly format with $FSTYP Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:23   ` [PATCH 11/33] tests/ext*: refactor open-coded _scratch_mkfs_sized calls Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:23   ` [PATCH 12/33] generic/732: disable for fuse.ext4 Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:23   ` [PATCH 13/33] defrag: fix ext4 defrag ioctl test Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:24   ` [PATCH 14/33] misc: explicitly require online resize support Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:24   ` [PATCH 15/33] ext4/004: disable for fuse2fs Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:24   ` [PATCH 16/33] generic/679: " Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:24   ` [PATCH 17/33] ext4/045: don't run the long dirent test on fuse2fs Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:25   ` [PATCH 18/33] generic/338: skip test if we can't mount with strictatime Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:25   ` [PATCH 19/33] generic/563: fuse doesn't support cgroup-aware writeback accounting Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:25   ` [PATCH 20/33] misc: use a larger buffer size for pwrites Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:25   ` [PATCH 21/33] ext4/046: don't run this test if dioread_nolock not supported Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:26   ` [PATCH 22/33] generic/631: don't run test if we can't mount overlayfs Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-30 11:35     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-11-05 23:12       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-06  9:23         ` Amir Goldstein
2025-11-06 16:02           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:26   ` [PATCH 23/33] generic/{409,410,411,589}: check for stacking mount support Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-30 10:25     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-11-05 22:58       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:26   ` [PATCH 24/33] generic: add _require_hardlinks to tests that require hardlinks Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:26   ` [PATCH 25/33] ext4/001: check for fiemap support Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:27   ` [PATCH 26/33] generic/622: check that strictatime/lazytime actually work Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:27   ` [PATCH 27/33] generic/050: skip test because fuse2fs doesn't have stable output Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-30 10:05     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-11-05 23:02       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:27   ` [PATCH 28/33] generic/405: don't stall on mkfs asking for input Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:27   ` [PATCH 29/33] ext4/006: fix this test Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:28   ` [PATCH 30/33] ext4/009: fix ENOSPC errors Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:28   ` [PATCH 31/33] ext4/022: enabl Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  6:03     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:28   ` [PATCH 32/33] generic/730: adapt test for fuse filesystems Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  1:29   ` [PATCH 33/33] fuse2fs: hack around weird corruption problems Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29  9:35   ` [PATCHSET v6] fstests: support ext4 fuse testing Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29 23:52     ` Darrick J. Wong

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