From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Andrey Albershteyn <aalbersh@redhat.com>,
fsverity@lists.linux.dev, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
ebiggers@kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
aalbersh@kernel.org, david@fromorbit.com, hch@lst.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/22] iomap: introduce IOMAP_F_BEYOND_EOF
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2026 18:11:05 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260117021105.GY15551@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aWqzB1K-iGrFwOIc@casper.infradead.org>
On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 09:52:07PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 03:50:05PM +0100, Andrey Albershteyn wrote:
> > Flag to indicate to iomap that read/write is happening beyond EOF and no
> > isize checks/update is needed.
>
> Darrick and I talked to Ted about this yesterday, and we think you don't
> need the writeback portions of this. (As Darrick said, it's hard to
> tell if this is all writeback or just some of it).
>
> The flow for creating a verity file should be:
>
> write data to pagecache
> calculate merkle tree data, write it to pagecache
> write_and_wait the entire file
> do verity magic
>
> If you follow this flow, there's never a need to do writeback past EOF.
> Or indeed writeback on a verity file at all, since it's now immutable.
Hrmm, I came to rather opposite conclusions -- if you're going to write
the fsverity metadata via the pagecache then you *do* have to fix iomap
writeback to deal with post-EOF data correctly. Right now it just
ignores everything beyond isize, and I think the xfs side of things will
still do things like try to update the ondisk size in the ioend.
I think hch or someone said that maybe those writes could be directio,
though using the pagecache for verity setup means it's all incore and
ready to go when the ioctl returns.
OTOH it would be convenient to preallocate unwritten extents for the
merkle tree, write it with directio, and now if isize ever gets
corrupted such that userspace actually /can/ read the merkle tree data,
they'll at least see zeroes. Though I think there's an ioctl that lets
you do that anyway.
--D
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-17 2:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-12 14:49 [PATCH v2 0/23] fs-verity support for XFS with post EOF merkle tree Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/22] fsverity: report validation errors back to the filesystem Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 1:29 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 8:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 10:27 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 17:52 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/22] fsverity: expose ensure_fsverity_info() Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:05 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 3/22] iomap: introduce IOMAP_F_BEYOND_EOF Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:18 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 22:31 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 10:39 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 8:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 10:50 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 16:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 17:57 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-16 21:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-17 2:11 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 4/22] iomap: allow iomap_file_buffered_write() take iocb without file Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:22 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 8:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 10:53 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 16:43 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-14 4:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-14 6:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-14 16:43 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 5/22] iomap: integrate fs-verity verification into iomap's read path Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:35 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 11:16 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 16:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 8:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 6/22] xfs: add fs-verity ro-compat flag Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 7/22] xfs: add inode on-disk VERITY flag Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 8/22] xfs: initialize fs-verity on file open and cleanup on inode destruction Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 9/22] xfs: don't allow to enable DAX on fs-verity sealed inode Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 10/22] xfs: disable direct read path for fs-verity files Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 8:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 11:22 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 11/22] xfs: add verity info pointer to xfs inode Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:39 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 8:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 18:02 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-14 6:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 12/22] xfs: introduce XFS_FSVERITY_CONSTRUCTION inode flag Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:42 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 11:24 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 13/22] xfs: introduce XFS_FSVERITY_REGION_START constant Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:46 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 12:23 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 18:06 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-14 6:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-14 7:59 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-14 16:50 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 14/22] xfs: disable preallocations for fsverity Merkle tree writes Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:49 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 15/22] xfs: add writeback and iomap reading of Merkle tree pages Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 22:51 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 8:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-13 12:31 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 16/22] xfs: add fs-verity support Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 23:05 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-13 18:32 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-14 16:40 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-16 14:52 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 17/22] xfs: add fs-verity ioctls Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 18/22] xfs: advertise fs-verity being available on filesystem Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 19/22] xfs: check and repair the verity inode flag state Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 20/22] xfs: report verity failures through the health system Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 21/22] xfs: add fsverity traces Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-12 23:07 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-12 14:52 ` [PATCH v2 22/22] xfs: enable ro-compat fs-verity flag Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v2 0/23] fs-verity support for XFS with post EOF merkle tree Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-13 18:45 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-14 5:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-14 6:15 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-14 8:20 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-14 9:53 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-14 16:42 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-19 6:33 ` fsverity metadata offset, was: " Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-19 19:32 ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-19 19:58 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-20 7:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-20 11:44 ` Andrey Albershteyn
2026-01-20 17:34 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-01-21 15:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-19 20:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
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