Re: [PATCH v5 1/4] openat2: new OPENAT2_REGULAR flag support

Andy Lutomirski
2026-03-11T16:10:20Z

On Tue, Mar 10, 2026 at 9:49 PM Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@cyphar.com> wrote:
>
> On 2026-03-09, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2026-03-07 at 10:56 -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > > > I think this needs more clarification as to what "regular" means,
> > > > > since S_IFREG may not be sufficient. The UAPI group page says:
> > > > >
> > > > > Use-Case: this would be very useful to write secure programs that want
> > > > > to avoid being tricked into opening device nodes with special
> > > > > semantics while thinking they operate on regular files. This is
> > > > > particularly relevant as many device nodes (or even FIFOs) come with
> > > > > blocking I/O (or even blocking open()!) by default, which is not
> > > > > expected from regular files backed by “fast” disk I/O. Consider
> > > > > implementation of a naive web browser which is pointed to
> > > > > file://dev/zero, not expecting an endless amount of data to read.
> > > > >
> > > > > What about procfs? What about sysfs? What about /proc/self/fd/17
> > > > > where that fd is a memfd? What about files backed by non-"fast" disk
> > > > > I/O like something on a flaky USB stick or a network mount or FUSE?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are we concerned about blocking open? (open blocks as a matter of
> > > > > course.) Are we concerned about open having strange side effects?
> > > > > Are we concerned about write having strange side effects? Are we
> > > > > concerned about cases where opening the file as root results in
> > > > > elevated privilege beyond merely gaining the ability to write to that
> > > > > specific path on an ordinary filesystem?
> >
> > I think this is opening up a barrage of question that I'm not sure are
> > all that useful. The ability to only open regular file isn't intended to
> > defend against hung FUSE or NFS servers or other random Linux
> > special-sauce murder-suicide file descriptor traps. For a lot of those
> > we have O_PATH which can easily function with the new extension. A lot
> > of the other special-sauce files (most anonymous inode fds) cannot even
> > be reopened via e.g., /proc.
>
> Indeed, I see OPENAT2_REGULAR as a way of optimising the tedious checks
> that userspace does using O_PATH+/proc/self/fd/$n re-opening when
> dealing with regular files.

Can you give a brief decription or a link to what these checks are and
what problem they solve?

--Andy