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smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=AcfvZYAR; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="AcfvZYAR" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C459C433C7; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:39:35 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1708454376; bh=nUwWqKvfHJcqnJr3SpSO1g7jH+gC5H0ZN6BTDEkInD4=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=AcfvZYARSgvM8E2gOrI6w6kQ+Mv27IzSRLTkuYJ5kI/Eb5a7aRnPEe1MPQJLx5B+l 9fmim7XpB3fikS4mHeM5Nm/Trv8upjWtSy0wdvHuM6BMEeYrmR6pqr/7WdLptLB4Pv +XLWcBjhgmlDIxFoOKh1TmKyyiKGfCTpn1i5vJr3g9VuCqMt5lhDvgw1Oe5NEKzvW9 iXVXYCjZfUGWBS1/DidvIqVYhRWycv81w4oWzcJ5DrxmfdWOxOaP6ml6P6SPbe2b1X vnLdDIQu6DuCPT45BuZEvo++uzEVwaq+jiuieK/MEliJGWGq88N+SWYfgdbG1kH7V2 gSfoRS/sOSQHQ== Message-ID: <0174d19e-abc4-4d2e-a60d-e7df52b74d0b@kernel.org> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 19:39:33 +0100 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert "Declare both git-switch and git-restore experimental" Content-Language: en-GB, fr-BE To: Junio C Hamano , Kristoffer Haugsbakk Cc: =?UTF-8?B?Tmd1eeG7hW4gVGjDoWkgTmfhu41jIER1eQ==?= , git@vger.kernel.org References: <20240220092957.1296283-2-matttbe@kernel.org> <3523e325-98bf-4d2d-847b-28e5c4a85ec5@app.fastmail.com> <95eb92cb-7954-41c0-b542-5169ed5f9892@kernel.org> <920a0f61-d30b-49f1-87b3-fb947cb3c33d@app.fastmail.com> From: Matthieu Baerts Autocrypt: addr=matttbe@kernel.org; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Junio, Thank you for your reply! On 20/02/2024 7:04 pm, Junio C Hamano wrote: > "Kristoffer Haugsbakk" writes: > >> The only reason why I ask is because I was vaguely aware of some >> discussions (don’t know how long ago) where someone was skeptical about >> changing one of the two experimental commands, and then someone else in >> turn expressed some frustration about this concern since they are after >> all marked experimental. And the context was some UI/UX problems with >> the command. > > There was a discussion to further make "switch" deviate from > "checkout" by taking advantage of its experimental status [*1*], for > example. I appreciate the references, thank you! It is interesting to note changes have been proposed a few years ago, but none have been applied. > Being marked as "EXPERIMENTAL" allows us to redefine the behaviour > in a way that would break existing users, like changing what the > "-c" option means completely (so that folks who are used to say > "switch -c blah" will be surprised next time they type that command, > but they cannot complain). Personally, I think I would complain, and go back to git-checkout :-) > Once you remove the label, you no longer > have such a freedom to even imagine departing from the existing > behaviour (I wrote essentially the same thing before [*2*]). Are we > ready to paint us into such a corner yet? I'm not involved in this project, but I think after a few versions / years, it is hard to still keep this experimental status. I understand it is tempting to keep it, but I think it is now too late. Despite the now old label, you probably already no longer have such freedom to radically change their behaviours, no? > Is "switch/restore" perfect > and do not need departing changes anymore? To me, they don't need departing changes. If they are still experimental after 5 years, it is hard to recommend them :) Cheers, Matt -- Sponsored by the NGI0 Core fund.