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From: <rsbecker@nexbridge.com>
To: "'Elijah Newren'" <newren@gmail.com>, "'Patrick Steinhardt'" <ps@pks.im>
Cc: "'brian m. carlson'" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	"'Junio C Hamano'" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"'Taylor Blau'" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	"'Kristoffer Haugsbakk'" <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com>,
	"'Josh Soref'" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "'Christian Brabandt'" <cb@256bit.org>,
	"'Phillip Wood'" <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	"'Eli Schwartz'" <eschwartz@gentoo.org>,
	"'Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier'" <contact@hacktivis.me>,
	"'Johannes Schindelin'" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"'Matthias Aßhauer'" <mha1993@live.de>,
	"'Sam James'" <sam@gentoo.org>,
	"'Collin Funk'" <collin.funk1@gmail.com>,
	"'Mike Hommey'" <mh@glandium.org>,
	"'Pierre-Emmanuel Patry'" <pierre-emmanuel.patry@embecosm.com>,
	"'D. Ben Knoble'" <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	"'Ramsay Jones'" <ramsay@ramsayjones.plus.com>,
	"'Ezekiel Newren'" <ezekielnewren@gmail.com>,
	"'Josh Steadmon'" <steadmon@google.com>,
	"'Calvin Wan'" <calvinwan@google.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v3 02/15] xdiff: introduce rust
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2025 12:09:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <042f01dc2011$da9dcda0$8fd968e0$@nexbridge.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABPp-BG3Zcw63vNziy86MvYNubefn1SmPvXefpqpA=a+42KT8A@mail.gmail.com>

On September 7, 2025 12:10 AM, Elijah Newren wrote:
>Sorry for the delay; life outside of work is challenging at the moment...
>

I am going to address the critical point mentioned below and snip the rest for brevity.

>I still don't see why distributors _must_ ship the latest version of Git and why folks
>on some platforms are considered broken if they are using a slightly older version.
>Let me ask again: has anyone answered why this is considered mandatory?  If they
>have, I've missed it, but I've asked multiple times.  Even if you want to lump
>"distributors cannot build a newer version" under the umbrella of "breaking
>changes", I argue it's a much different kind of break and one which merits different
>timelines for handling than e.g. lumping it in with 3.0.

I do not see that distributors _must_ ship the latest version. Suppose we are on
2.51.0 and a CVE comes out that prohibits its use in an organization that does
not allow any medium-high to high CVEs. This represents hundreds of thousands
of impacted users in my community alone. How does the CVE get applied if the
latest cannot be built and the git team does not apply the CVE fixes to old
versions. Personally, I do not care if git versions are different between work
and home, or even between CI/CD and other platforms. I don't even care
if I have to use JGit instead of git in some situations (which I see is a likely
outcome of this discussion). Is there an official statement of what an LTS
means? In other projects LTS is typically, and formally by policy 5 years.
From what others have said here, positions of 6 months, 3 years, and
"apply it yourself if you want to continue to use git" have been made.

The core problem of adding a breaking dependency is when a CVE comes
out that prohibits git from being used at all. If the git team is not going
to provide a clear statement, one way or another, if how CVEs (at
whatever severity level) will not have a commitment of any kind,
then distributors are essentially cast adrift and on our own. It would
be helpful of those of us who donate our time, for no compensation,
are able to plan for this in a meaningful way. Please remember that
we have to justify our participation to our management teams to be
allowed to continue to participate. Nothing is free from this end
and if fixing (not just applying fixes) CVEs are now 100% our
responsibility, if would be critical to know that when we build our
business cases to our bosses, who I am fairly certain will say an
emphatic no.

Also remember that without support from the git team, the
code base is no longer the same, meaning the auditors will not
necessarily accept fixes from third-party sources. This particular
point enabled adoption on some platforms, particularly NonStop.
Adoption was at 1-2 customers when we had a divergent code
based because some platform fixes being different from the
standard code-base and could not be certified as valid. Once the
code-base because common, adoption was rapid and enthusiastic.
If this goes away, I suspect that adoption rates will go negative.
I am aware that that particular discussion is actually happening
in some organizations in my community right now, with companies
looking for alternatives to git based on this discussion thread.

With over a decade of respect and participation,
Randall


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-07 16:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 203+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-17 20:32 [PATCH 0/7] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 1/7] xdiff: introduce rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 21:30   ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 21:54     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-17 22:39     ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 23:15     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-23 21:57       ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-23 22:26         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-28 19:11         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-31 22:37           ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-22 22:02     ` Mike Hommey
2025-07-22 23:52       ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 22:38   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 2/7] xdiff/xprepare: remove superfluous forward declarations Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 22:41   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 3/7] xdiff: delete unnecessary fields from xrecord_t and xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 4/7] xdiff: make fields of xrecord_t Rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 22:46   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-17 23:13     ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 23:37       ` Elijah Newren
2025-07-18  0:23         ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18  0:21       ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 13:35   ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-28 19:34     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-28 19:52       ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-28 20:14         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-31 14:20           ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-31 20:58             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-01  9:14               ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-28 20:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-28 20:00       ` Collin Funk
2025-07-20  1:39   ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 5/7] xdiff: separate parsing lines from hashing them Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 22:59   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 13:34   ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 6/7] xdiff: conditionally use Rust's implementation of xxhash Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 23:29   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 19:00   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-31 21:13     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-02  7:53       ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-07-19 21:53   ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-20 10:14     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-23  9:57       ` gitoxide-compatible licensing of Git's Rust code, was " Johannes Schindelin
2025-09-23 17:48         ` Jeff King
2025-09-24 13:48           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-25  2:25             ` Jeff King
2025-09-25  5:42               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-26 10:06               ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-03  3:18                 ` Jeff King
2025-10-03  9:51                   ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-07  9:11                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-05  5:32       ` Yee Cheng Chin
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 7/7] github_workflows: install rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 21:23   ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-18 23:01     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-25 23:56       ` Ben Knoble
2025-07-19 21:54   ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-17 21:51 ` [PATCH 0/7] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 22:25   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18  0:29     ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-22 12:21       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-22 15:56         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-22 16:03     ` Sam James
2025-07-22 21:37       ` Elijah Newren
2025-07-22 21:55         ` Sam James
2025-07-22 22:08           ` Collin Funk
2025-07-18  9:23 ` Christian Brabandt
2025-07-18 16:26   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-19  0:32     ` Elijah Newren
2025-07-18 13:34 ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-18 21:25   ` Eli Schwartz
2025-07-19  0:48     ` Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier
2025-07-22 12:21       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-22 14:24     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-22 15:14       ` Eli Schwartz
2025-07-22 15:56       ` Sam James
2025-07-23  4:32         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-24  9:01           ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-07-24 10:00             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-28  9:06               ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-07-18 14:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-18 21:56   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-21 10:14   ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-21 18:33     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-19 21:53 ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-20  8:45   ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-15  1:22 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] " Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 01/17] doc: add a policy for using Rust brian m. carlson via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 17:03     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-15 21:31       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-16  8:06         ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-19  2:06       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 02/17] xdiff: introduce rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 03/17] xdiff/xprepare: remove superfluous forward declarations Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 04/17] xdiff: delete unnecessary fields from xrecord_t and xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 05/17] xdiff: make fields of xrecord_t Rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 06/17] xdiff: separate parsing lines from hashing them Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 07/17] xdiff: conditionally use Rust's implementation of xxhash Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 08/17] github workflows: install rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 09/17] Do support Windows again after requiring Rust Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 17:12     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-15 21:48       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-15 22:11         ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-08-15 23:37           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-15 23:37         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-16  8:53         ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-17 15:57           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-19  2:22       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 10/17] win+Meson: allow for xdiff to be compiled with MSVC Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 11/17] win+Meson: do allow linking with the Rust-built xdiff Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 12/17] github workflows: define rust versions and targets in the same place Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 13/17] github workflows: upload Cargo.lock Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 14/17] xdiff: implement a white space iterator in Rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 15/17] xdiff: create line_hash() and line_equal() Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 16/17] xdiff: optimize case where --ignore-cr-at-eol is the only whitespace flag Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 17/17] xdiff: use rust's version of whitespace processing Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 15:07   ` [-SPAM-] [PATCH v2 00/17] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification Ramsay Jones
2025-08-19  2:00     ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-24 16:52       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-18 22:31   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-18 23:52     ` Ben Knoble
2025-08-19  1:52     ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-19  9:47       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-23  3:55   ` [PATCH v3 00/15] RFC: Cleanup " Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 01/15] doc: add a policy for using Rust brian m. carlson via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 02/15] xdiff: introduce rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23 13:43       ` rsbecker
2025-08-23 14:26         ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-23 15:06           ` rsbecker
2025-08-23 18:30             ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-23 19:24               ` brian m. carlson
2025-08-23 20:04                 ` rsbecker
2025-08-23 20:36                 ` Sam James
2025-08-23 21:17                 ` Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier
2025-08-27  1:57               ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-27 14:39                 ` rsbecker
2025-08-27 17:06                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-27 17:15                     ` rsbecker
2025-08-27 20:12                     ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-27 20:22                       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-02 11:16                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-02 11:30                           ` Sam James
2025-09-02 17:27                           ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-02 18:47                             ` Sam James
2025-09-03 18:22                               ` Collin Funk
2025-09-03  5:40                             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-03 16:22                               ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-03 22:10                               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-03 22:48                                 ` Josh Steadmon
2025-09-04 11:10                                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 15:45                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  8:23                                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04  0:57                               ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-04 11:39                                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 13:53                                   ` Sam James
2025-09-05  3:55                                     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-04 23:17                                   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-05  3:54                                   ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05  6:50                                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:10                                       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-07 16:09                                         ` rsbecker [this message]
2025-09-08 10:12                                           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-08 15:32                                             ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 15:10                                           ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-08 15:41                                             ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 15:31                                           ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08 15:36                                             ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 16:13                                               ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08 17:01                                                 ` rsbecker
2025-09-08  6:40                                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 10:31                                     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 11:32                                       ` Sam James
2025-09-05 13:14                                       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 13:23                                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 15:37                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:40                                           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-23 14:29         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 03/15] github workflows: install rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 04/15] win+Meson: do allow linking with the Rust-built xdiff Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 05/15] github workflows: upload Cargo.lock Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 06/15] ivec: create a vector type that is interoperable between C and Rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  8:12       ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-23  9:29         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-23 16:14       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-23 16:37         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-23 18:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-23 20:29         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-25 19:16         ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-26  5:40           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-24 13:31       ` Ben Knoble
2025-08-25 20:40         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-26 13:30           ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-26 18:47             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-26 22:01               ` brian m. carlson
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 07/15] xdiff/xprepare: remove superfluous forward declarations Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 08/15] xdiff: delete unnecessary fields from xrecord_t and xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 09/15] xdiff: make fields of xrecord_t Rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 10/15] xdiff: use one definition for freeing xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 11/15] xdiff: replace chastore with an ivec in xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 12/15] xdiff: delete nrec field from xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 13/15] xdiff: delete recs " Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 14/15] xdiff: make xdfile_t more rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 15/15] xdiff: implement xdl_trim_ends() in Rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget

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