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Content-Language: en-US To: Patrick Steinhardt , "brian m. carlson" , Hans Meiser , Dragan Simic , Konstantin Ryabitsev , "git@vger.kernel.org" References: <20240201-primitive-aardwark-of-contentment-aaabb9@lemur> From: Phillip Wood In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 02/02/2024 05:10, Patrick Steinhardt wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 01:44:03AM +0000, brian m. carlson wrote: >> On 2024-02-01 at 18:36:48, Hans Meiser wrote: > [snip] >>> In the end, it's all just about git. You may create your own git >>> webserver (https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-on-the-Server-GitWeb), >>> or just use an existing one, like the GitLab server: >>> https://about.gitlab.com/install/ >> >> The Git project has tried for a long time to be neutral on any >> particular external piece of software. Installing a GitLab server as >> our preferred development platform would promote GitLab as the preferred >> forge to other users. Similarly, moving to GitHub would prefer GitHub >> over other forges. That's not a thing we want to do. >> >> We also don't accept patches or features for the benefit of one >> particular forge or external project. Patches and features must be >> of general benefit to the project at large. > > I think this point is indeed really important in the context of the Git > project. Agreed, thank you for making it brian. If we did decide to use a forge we'd need to be very clear in our decision making that it was selected based on the specific needs of this project and was not a general endorsement of one product over another. We'd also need to address the important practical problems of finding resources to maintain the infrastructure and software to run it. Best Wishes Phillip