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From: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>, Nick Edelen <sirnot@gmail.com>,
	Michael J Gruber <git@drmicha.warpmail.net>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	"Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org>,
	Andreas Ericsson <exon@op5.se>,
	Christian Couder <christian@couder.net>,
	"git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Suggested for PU: revision caching system to significantly speed up packing/walking
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:54:18 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1249775658.7114.66.camel@maia.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0908081709380.8306@pacific.mpi-cbg.de>

On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 17:18 +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> > Speeding up rev-list with a rev cache is completely orthogonal to 
> > whether the repository is packed or not.
> 
> No, it is not.
> 
> For both technical and practical reasons, caching revision walker data is
> very closely related to packing.
> [...]
> ... the rev cache has a certain target audience, 
> and that the regular user is not part of that audience, and that it just 
> so happens that the _technical_ similarities with the pack index can be 
> exploited in those scenarios?
> 
> IOW we can be pretty certain that a heavy-load server has a fully (or 
> next-to-fully) packed object database.  The pack indices already contain a 
> SHA-1 table that we can simply reuse.  And it should not be hard (or 
> fragile) at all to put the "cached" information about parents, 
> referenced tree and blob objects into that file, into a different section.

I think your argument would work better if packs and bundles were the
same thing, and we always stored bundles in the objects/packs directory,
but they're not and we don't.  You can't assume that a pack has any
particular properties, such as representing the objects returned from a
single rev-cache walk.  And I will say that *especially* on a busy git
server, serving active projects you can't expect people to repack their
repository for every single update.  Repacking daily or so by a batch
job, sure.  Expecting the repository to always be fully packed?  No.
Too much churn, or inefficient packing.  You can't just pretend that the
mixed packed/loose case doesn't exist.

The 10% size seems a very good bang for your buck to me and a good
start.

Sam

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-08 23:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-06  9:55 [PATCH 0/5] Suggested for PU: revision caching system to significantly speed up packing/walking Nick Edelen
2009-08-06 14:48 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-08-06 14:58   ` Michael J Gruber
2009-08-06 17:39     ` Nick Edelen
2009-08-06 19:06       ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-08-06 20:01         ` Nick Edelen
2009-08-06 20:30           ` Nick Edelen
2009-08-06 20:32             ` Shawn O. Pearce
2009-08-06 23:35               ` A Large Angry SCM
2009-08-06 23:37                 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2009-08-06 23:43                   ` A Large Angry SCM
2009-08-07  0:15                     ` Nick Edelen
2009-08-07  6:05                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-08-07  4:42             ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-08-07  2:47         ` Sam Vilain
2009-08-07  4:35           ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-08-07  6:08             ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-08-07 14:18               ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-08-08 15:18                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-08-08 16:07                   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-08-08 23:54                   ` Sam Vilain [this message]
2009-08-09  2:37                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-08-09 13:42                     ` Nick Edelen
2009-08-07  6:12           ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-08-07 15:00             ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-08-07 22:02               ` Nick Edelen
2009-08-07 22:48                 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-08-07 22:53                   ` Nick Edelen
2009-08-08  3:11                     ` Junio C Hamano
2009-08-08  7:27                       ` Nick Edelen
2009-08-08  7:30                         ` Jeff King
2009-08-08  7:40                           ` Nick Edelen
2009-08-08  2:50                   ` Jeff King
2009-08-08 18:57         ` Junio C Hamano

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