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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jochen Striepe <jochen@tolot.escape.de>,
	Shawn Pearce <spearce@spearce.org>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [git patches] libata updates, GPG signed (but see admin notes)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:51:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1320933118.17392.23.camel@i7.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyG4VuiRN3kcyDVF4sw7b89m-2bOBeQLOGWTcd9o3akzQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 21:13 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> No, my main objection to saving the data is that it's ugly and it's
> redundant. Sure, in practice you can check the signatures later fine
> (with the rare exceptions you mention), but even when you can do it,
> what's the big upside? 

Another objection (although it may not be insurmountable) is that it's
not necessarily *entirely* clear what's being signed.

In the simple case where I clone your tree, make a few commits with my
Signed-off-by:, sign a tag and then ask you to pull, that's easy enough.
I'm vouching for what I committed, and not for everything that was in
your tree beforehand.

But what if I'm working on top of someone else's published git tree?
Does a signed tag at the top of *my* work imply that I'm vouching for
all of theirs too?

In the case where the signature is ephemeral and only used for you to
trust my pull request, the answer is simple: If that other work wasn't
in your tree yet at the time I send my pull request, I'd damn well
better be vouching for it when I ask you to pull it. Nothing new there.

But if we're keeping signatures around for auditing purposes, we'd
better have a coherent answer to that question. One that isn't "a
signature cover everything since the last commit with torvalds@ as the
committer", if we want it to be useful for the general case.

-- 
dwmw2


  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-10 13:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20111026202235.GA20928@havoc.gtf.org>
     [not found] ` <1319969101.5215.20.camel@dabdike>
     [not found]   ` <CA+55aFx1NGWfNJAKDTvZfsHDDKiEtS4t4RydSgHurBeyGPyhXg@mail.gmail.com>
2011-10-31  8:40     ` [git patches] libata updates, GPG signed (but see admin notes) Ingo Molnar
2011-10-31  8:40     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-10-31 22:03       ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]     ` <1320049150.8283.19.camel@dabdike>
     [not found]       ` <CA+55aFz3=cbciRfTYodNhdEetXYxTARGTfpP9GL9RZK222XmKQ@mail.gmail.com>
2011-10-31 18:23         ` Junio C Hamano
2011-10-31 20:30           ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-31 20:53             ` Junio C Hamano
2011-10-31 22:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-31 22:20             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-31 22:30               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-31 22:33                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-31 22:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-31 22:51                     ` Junio C Hamano
2011-10-31 22:56                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-02  9:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-11-02 11:20                           ` Jochen Striepe
2011-10-31 23:09                       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-10-31 22:44                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-10-31 22:47                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-31 22:49                     ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-31 22:51                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-31 22:52                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-31 22:54                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-31 23:03                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-01  5:39                       ` James Bottomley
2011-10-31 23:55                     ` Jeff Garzik
2011-11-01  0:42                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-31 22:33               ` Jiri Kosina
2011-11-01 19:47             ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-01 21:21               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-01 21:56                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-02 20:04                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-02 21:13                     ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-03  1:02                     ` Shawn Pearce
2011-11-03  1:19                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-03  1:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-03  2:14                           ` Shawn Pearce
2011-11-03  2:25                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-03  3:22                               ` Jochen Striepe
2011-11-03  4:13                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-10 13:51                                   ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2011-11-10 15:23                                     ` Marc Branchaud
2011-11-03  2:31                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-03  2:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-04 20:16                             ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-04 21:22                               ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-04 23:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-05  3:55                                   ` Jeff King
2011-11-05  4:37                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-03 18:16                           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-03 18:52                             ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-03 19:09                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-04 14:59                                 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-11-04 15:14                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-07  7:52                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-11-07 16:24                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-05  6:36                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-05 16:41                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-05 23:49                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-06  0:53                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-09 17:26                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-10  8:02                                   ` Johan Herland
2011-11-10 15:15                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-10 16:03                                       ` Johan Herland
2011-11-10 17:18                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-11  1:17                                           ` Johan Herland
2011-11-11  5:26                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-10 21:41                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-03 19:06                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-04 21:12                             ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-04 23:45                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-03  2:55                       ` Jeff King
2011-11-03  3:16                         ` Robin H. Johnson
2011-11-03 18:29                     ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-01 22:39                 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-11-02 23:34                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-02 23:41                   ` david
2011-11-02 23:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-10 13:52                 ` David Woodhouse
2011-11-02 10:53               ` Michael J Gruber
2011-11-02 18:58                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-11-02 21:05                   ` Michael J Gruber

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