*IMPORTANT* to Linus Torvalds

*IMPORTANT* to Linus Torvalds

[Pedro Bessa]

Mr. Torvalds,

I believe you'll be able to understand me. This is a copy of a message that
should be changed to convince Gnome, KDE, XFCE or / and LXDE.

I reported many bugs to Ubuntu.
To make the Ubuntu team patch them, I need to convince them that the bug is so
important that they need to work on it, so it's hard.
To make me patch them, I need to convince Ubuntu team that the bug is important,
otherwise the patch won't be approved, which is hard, then I need to patch the
bug, which is hard, then I need Ubuntu team to approve the code, which is hard,
so it's triple hard.
To develop an app, I need to code my work, others will see my name, rate it
high, install it lots, congratulate me by e-mail and recognize my work, so it's
fun, then I need approval from the Ubuntu team to have my app in the Ubuntu
Software Store, the Ubuntu team put a huge effort in the Ubuntu Software Store
and the Ubuntu team wants more apps in the Ubuntu Software Store, so it's easy,
then I show the Ubuntu team that since the app's popular, the bug is important
and according to xkcd, I'm correcting a person on the internet and that's an
important task, so it's important.

Firefox has add-ons that change the Firefox interface.
Firefox has XML DOM with getElementById, insertBefore, createElement,
setAttribute, removeChild etc and that's how you position. add, edit and remove
anything in Firefox.
A Firefox add-on is easy to create and powerful to use.
Tim Berners-Lee, an England sir, created the web and leads W3C. W3C adopted
Javascript from NETSCAPE and created XML and DOM. Think twice about whether
Javascript, XML and DOM are a good combination, because that's genial stuff, so
you will have to be sure.

Ubuntu needs an API like Firefox's XML DOM, but in C, not Javascript.

Imagine the experimentation that would happen. It would be awesome, like Firefox
is. Features that you weren't expecting would be added to Ubuntu by the others,
if you're a programmer, you would be able to create features and if you're a
user, you would be able to tell programmers what features you want and others
want too. Maybe, Windows or Apple would copy the easy platform customization
from Ubuntu which copied from Firefox and everybody would be happy.

Best regards,
Pedro Bessa

Re: *IMPORTANT* to Linus Torvalds

[jaseem abid]

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Pedro Bessa <pedbessa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ubuntu needs an API like Firefox's XML DOM, but in C, not Javascript.

Is this the root idea of the mail?  I think you should have told about

1. Why ubuntu needs an API like Firefox's XML DOM ?
2. Why C?
3. Why not Javascript?

and not about *how hard it is to get patches accepted* in the *ubuntu
mailing list*.

Am I missing some background story? What happened recently that you
are provoked you to send a mail like this? Can you provide with some
link to read more?

What exactly do you want Mr Torvalds to do on this regard? I think
more importantly, you should have mentioned *why* he should be doing
what you are asking him to do.

FYI, there are other OS like webOS which tried UI like that of
browsers with DOM and scripting APIs. Most of them failed due to
random reasons. Ubuntu community is having their own reasons for doing
particular things. If you have a revolutionary idea, I think you will
be able to convince them to do that.

Personally I think this is the wrong place to convey this idea.

V,r

Jaseem Abid
http://jaseemabid.github.com

Re: *IMPORTANT* to Linus Torvalds

[Marc Weber]

Summary:

request:
  Dear Mr Torvalds, help me please to make Ubuntu team
  create or approve such a patch which would implement this:
  > Ubuntu needs an API like Firefox's XML DOM, but in C, not Javascript.

  I failed at understanding more valuable information.

my reply:
==========
git kernel list is unlikely to be the appropriate forum.
Try #ubuntu channel on freenode irc or http://ubuntuforums.org/

Also refine your request. Its not understandable (yet). Talk to other
linux users and make them understand what you're idea is.

I personally can't imagine what you're asking for because there are so
many things which could be mapped to DOM including filesystem, linux
configuration (/proc, /sys), ...

You may want to look at "plan 9", they try to make everything be a 
filesystem => http://cs-exhibitions.uni-klu.ac.at/index.php?id=214
"Ken and Rob thought up the idea of building everything around a single
file system protocol" ...
So all you have to do is map the filesystem to DOM and you're done?

You should find an appropriate forum for discussing and maturing your
idea. Those forums will also help you make it complete enough such that
average linux users / developers have a chance to understand what you
really have in mind.

I feel its unlikely that Torvalds understands what you are talking about
either without providing samples etc.

If you don't understand what I'm writing about contact me off list and
and I'll help you find the appropriate forum and rephrase your idea
making your description good enough to make others understand how you
want ubuntu (linux in general?) to look like instead.

If we're done with that we can write another mail to this thread telling
where future discussion will take place. To speed everything up I've
started a titanpad document:

http://titanpad.com/pVtrCuSOr5
and put some questions / comments there.

You can also add additional references to discussions at the appropriate
places to that public document.

Marc Weber