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From: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Emily Yang via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, me@ttaylorr.com, ps@pks.im,
	newren@gmail.com, Emily Yang <emilyyang.git@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] commit-graph: add new config for changed-paths & recommend it in scalar
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2025 08:48:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1a88e577-a808-4815-b390-e5d2253e670c@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqecrbd7yh.fsf@gitster.g>

On 10/9/2025 6:30 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> "Emily Yang via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> From: Emily Yang <emilyyang.git@gmail.com>

>> In this commit, we're proposing a new
>> config option "commitGraph.changedPaths" - "true" value acts like
>> "--changed-paths"; "false" disables a previous "true" config value but
>> doesn't imply "--no-changed-paths".
> 
> The way the above is phrased is so unusual that I am afraid it would
> confuse readers.
> 
> When a configuration variable gives an opportunity for the users to
> override the hardcoded default (in this case, --no-changed-paths has
> been the traditional default,

(I'm pointing out this statement and how it's not quite right. I'll
explain more fully lower in this reply.)

> and graph.changedPaths=true would make
> us pretend as if --changed-paths were given from the command line).
> So if we were to have this configuration variable, setting it false
> MUST make it pretend as if --no-changed-paths were given from the
> command line, and MUST continue to do so even in some future we
> changed the hardcoded default to be "true" (i.e., unless the user
> says graph.changedPath=false in the configuration and/or declines
> with "--no-changed-paths" from the command line, we will record the
> changed paths filter by default).
> 
> Setting commitGraph.changedPaths to true should mean that the
> "git commit-graph write" command behaves as if --changed-paths
> were given immediately after that "write", so that an end-user
> commmand
> 
>     $ git commit-graph write
> 
> should behave as if it was written like this
> 
>     $ git commit-graph write --changed-paths
> 
> and
> 
>     $ git commit-graph write --no-changed-paths
> 
> should behave as if it was written like this
> 
>     $ git commit-graph write --changed-paths --no-changed-paths
> 
> i.e. allowing the command line --no-changed-paths to override it.
> 
> Setting commitGraph.changedPaths to false should similarly mean that
> "--no-changed-paths" implicitly is added immediately after "write",
> meaning that 
> 
>     $ git commit-graph write
> 
> should behave as if it was written like this
> 
>     $ git commit-graph write --no-changed-paths

One thing that is tricky about --[no-]changed-paths is that it is a
"tri-state" argument due to 0087a87ba8 (commit-graph: persist
existence of changed-paths, 2020-07-01):

 * --changed-paths : Definitely write the data, even if it didn't
   exist already.

 * --no-changed-paths : Definitely _don't_ write the data, even if
   it exists already.

 * (not present) : Update filters that do exist, but don't write them
   if they don't exist.

This is reflected in how opts.enable_changed_paths is initialized to
-1 in the existing version. Then, the config is loaded before the
arguments are parsed (this is already enforcing the precedence of
'--max-new-filters=<N>' over the 'commitGraph.maxNewFilters' config).

Later, opts.enable_changed_paths is converted into
COMMIT_GRAPH_WRITE_BLOOM_FILTERS or COMMIT_GRAPH_NO_WRITE_BLOOM_FILTERS
flags for the underlying commit-graph API, with the default of -1
passing neither flag (which will use any existing commit-graph to
persist and extend filters that already exist).

The big reason for this is so users can use a foreground process to
initialize filters, then background maintenance will respect and persist
that behavior. The big change here is that the config allows a user to
enable the filters and have them be computed entirely in the background.

So I think this is the root of your concerns here.
>> @@ -210,6 +210,8 @@ static int git_commit_graph_write_config(const char *var, const char *value,
>>  {
>>  	if (!strcmp(var, "commitgraph.maxnewfilters"))
>>  		write_opts.max_new_filters = git_config_int(var, value, ctx->kvi);
>> +	else if (!strcmp(var, "commitgraph.changedpaths"))
>> +		opts.enable_changed_paths = git_config_bool(var, value) ? 1 : -1;
> 
> This is iffy.
> 
> Unless the way existing command line parser figures out if the user
> wants or does not want to use the feature is so screwed up, you
> shouldn't have to do any such thing.
> 
> Why do you need to special case 'false' this way? 

The config now has this implication:

 * true : turn '(not present)' into '--changed-paths'.
 * false/unset : Continue to assume '(not present)'.

And the typical case is that we would have 'false' imply
'--no-changed-paths' which _removes_ filters that may exist. I
could see a case for this.

The situation that I wanted to think about was this:

 * A user sets the config to 'true' in global config.
 * They then set the config to 'false' in a specific repo.

In this case, the 'false' _disables the config_ but doesn't cause
any existing filters to be deleted.

I hope this helps. I could see a case for 'false' implying
'--no-changed-filters' but as Emily was investigating this and
noting this discrepancy, we leaned in the direction of being non-
destructive with the config.

Thanks,
-Stolee



  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-10 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-09 21:01 [PATCH] commit-graph: add new config for changed-paths & recommend it in scalar Emily Yang via GitGitGadget
2025-10-09 22:30 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-10 12:48   ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2025-10-10 16:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-10 12:32 ` Derrick Stolee
2025-10-17 20:58 ` [PATCH v2] " Emily Yang via GitGitGadget
2025-10-22 14:53   ` Derrick Stolee
2025-10-22 17:42     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-29 21:04   ` SZEDER Gábor

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