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From: Martin Uecker <muecker@gmx.de>
To: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: space compression (again)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:37:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050416173702.GA12605@macavity> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0504161101470.29343@cag.csail.mit.edu>

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On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 11:11:00AM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, Martin Uecker wrote:
> 
> >The right thing (TM) is to switch from SHA1 of compressed
> >content for the complete monolithic file to a merkle hash tree
> >of the uncompressed content. This would make the hash
> >independent of the actual storage method (chunked or not).
> 
> It would certainly be nice to change to a hash of the uncompressed 
> content, rather than a hash of the compressed content, but it's not 
> strictly necessary, since files are fetched all at once: there's not 'read 
> subrange' operation on blobs.
> 
> I assume 'merkle hash tree' is talking about:
>   http://www.open-content.net/specs/draft-jchapweske-thex-02.html
> ..which is very interesting, but not quite what I was thinking.
> The merkle hash approach seems to require fixed chunk boundaries.

I don't know what is written there, but I don't
consider fixed chunk boundaries part of the definition.

> The rsync approach does not use fixed chunk boundaries; this is necessary 
> to ensure good storage reuse for the expected case (ie; inserting a single 
> line at the start or in the middle of the file, which changes all the 
> chunk boundaries).

Yes. The chunk boundaries should be determined deterministically
from local properties of the data. Use a rolling checksum over
some small window and split the file it it hits a special value (0).
This is what the rsyncable patch to zlib does.

> Further, in the absence of subrange reads on blobs, it's not entirely 
> clear what using a merkle hash would buy you.

The whole design of git is a hash tree. If you extend
this tree structure into files you end up with merkle
hash trees. Everything else is just more complicated.

Martin
 

-- 
One night, when little Giana from Milano was fast asleep,
she had a strange dream.


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  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-16 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-15 17:19 space compression (again) C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-15 18:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-15 18:45   ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-15 19:00     ` Derek Fawcus
2005-04-15 19:11     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-16 14:39       ` Martin Uecker
2005-04-16 15:11         ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-16 17:37           ` Martin Uecker [this message]
2005-04-19 12:39             ` Martin Uecker
2005-04-15 18:50 ` Derek Fawcus
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2005-04-15 19:33 Ray Heasman
2005-04-16 12:29 ` David Lang

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