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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, nigel@nigel.suspend2.net,
	"J.H." <warthog9@kernel.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	webmaster@kernel.org,
	"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: How git affects kernel.org performance
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:15:42 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070107011542.3496bc76.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070107085526.GR24090@1wt.eu>

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:55:26 +0100
Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 09:39:42PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > > 
> > > During extremely high load, it appears that what slows kernel.org down more
> > > than anything else is the time that each individual getdents() call takes.
> > > When I've looked this I've observed times from 200 ms to almost 2 seconds!
> > > Since an unpacked *OR* unpruned git tree adds 256 directories to a cleanly
> > > packed tree, you can do the math yourself.
> > 
> > "getdents()" is totally serialized by the inode semaphore. It's one of the 
> > most expensive system calls in Linux, partly because of that, and partly 
> > because it has to call all the way down into the filesystem in a way that 
> > almost no other common system call has to (99% of all filesystem calls can 
> > be handled basically at the VFS layer with generic caches - but not 
> > getdents()).
> > 
> > So if there are concurrent readdirs on the same directory, they get 
> > serialized. If there is any file creation/deletion activity in the 
> > directory, it serializes getdents(). 
> > 
> > To make matters worse, I don't think it has any read-ahead at all when you 
> > use hashed directory entries. So if you have cold-cache case, you'll read 
> > every single block totally individually, and serialized. One block at a 
> > time (I think the non-hashed case is likely also suspect, but that's a 
> > separate issue)
> > 
> > In other words, I'm not at all surprised it hits on filldir time. 
> > Especially on ext3.
> 
> At work, we had the same problem on a file server with ext3. We use rsync
> to make backups to a local IDE disk, and we noticed that getdents() took
> about the same time as Peter reports (0.2 to 2 seconds), especially in
> maildir directories. We tried many things to fix it with no result,
> including enabling dirindexes. Finally, we made a full backup, and switched
> over to XFS and the problem totally disappeared. So it seems that the
> filesystem matters a lot here when there are lots of entries in a
> directory, and that ext3 is not suitable for usages with thousands
> of entries in directories with millions of files on disk. I'm not
> certain it would be that easy to try other filesystems on kernel.org
> though :-/
> 

Yeah, slowly-growing directories will get splattered all over the disk.

Possible short-term fixes would be to just allocate up to (say) eight
blocks when we grow a directory by one block.  Or teach the
directory-growth code to use ext3 reservations.

Longer-term people are talking about things like on-disk rerservations. 
But I expect directories are being forgotten about in all of that.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-07  9:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20061214223718.GA3816@elf.ucw.cz>
     [not found] ` <20061216094421.416a271e.randy.dunlap@oracle.com>
     [not found]   ` <20061216095702.3e6f1d1f.akpm@osdl.org>
     [not found]     ` <458434B0.4090506@oracle.com>
     [not found]       ` <1166297434.26330.34.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]         ` <1166304080.13548.8.camel@nigel.suspend2.net>
     [not found]           ` <459152B1.9040106@zytor.com>
     [not found]             ` <1168140954.2153.1.camel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-01-07  4:22               ` [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel Jeff Garzik
2007-01-07  4:29                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-07 20:11                 ` Greg KH
2007-01-07 21:30                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-01-07 21:54                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-01-07 22:21                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-07 22:53                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-07 23:32                         ` Martin Langhoff
     [not found]               ` <45A08269.4050504@zytor.com>
2007-01-07  5:24                 ` How git affects kernel.org performance H. Peter Anvin
2007-01-07  5:39                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-07  8:55                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-07  8:58                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-01-07  9:03                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-07 10:28                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-07 10:52                             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-07 18:17                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-07 19:13                               ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                 ` <9e4733910701071126r7931042eldfb73060792f4f41@mail.gmail.com>
2007-01-07 19:35                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-07 10:50                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 18:49                             ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-07 19:07                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 19:28                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-07 19:37                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-07  9:15                       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-01-07  9:38                         ` Rene Herman
2007-01-08  3:05                         ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-01-08 12:58                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-08 13:41                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-01-08 13:56                               ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-08 13:59                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-08 14:17                                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-08 13:43                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-09  1:09                               ` Paul Jackson
2007-01-09  2:18                                 ` Jeremy Higdon
     [not found]                             ` <20070109075945.GA8799@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-01-09  7:59                               ` Fengguang Wu
2007-01-09  7:59                               ` Fengguang Wu
2007-01-09  7:59                               ` Fengguang Wu
2007-01-09 16:23                                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                   ` <20070110015739.GA26978@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-01-10  1:57                                     ` Fengguang Wu
2007-01-10  1:57                                     ` Fengguang Wu
2007-01-10  1:57                                     ` Fengguang Wu
2007-01-10  3:20                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                       ` <20070110140730.GA986@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-01-10 14:07                                         ` Fengguang Wu
2007-01-10 14:07                                         ` Fengguang Wu
2007-01-10 14:07                                         ` Fengguang Wu
2007-01-12 10:54                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-01-07 14:57                   ` Robert Fitzsimons
2007-01-07 19:12                     ` J.H.
2007-01-08  1:51                     ` Jakub Narebski
2007-01-07 15:06                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-01-07 20:31                     ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-01-08 14:46                       ` Nicolas Pitre

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