Many gits are offline this week

Many gits are offline this week

[Shawn O. Pearce]

Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four
days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code
Mentor Summit.

We also just received word from Junio that he is also likely to be
offline this next week.  Junio has some business that needs his
immediate attention, so he won't be his usual attentive self on
the mailing list.

With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps
someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio
has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online?

-- 
Shawn.

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> writes:

Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four
Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code
Shawn> Mentor Summit.

Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on
12 october.  Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)

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Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Johannes Schindelin]

Hi,

On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

> >>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> writes:
> 
> Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four
> Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code
> Shawn> Mentor Summit.
> 
> Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on
> 12 october.  Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)

We will not.  I'll watch the YouTube video a hundred times.

Ciao,
Dscho

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Shawn O. Pearce]

"Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn@stonehenge.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> writes:
> 
> Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four
> Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code
> Shawn> Mentor Summit.
> 
> Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on
> 12 october.  Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)

Yea, seeing as how I've never had the chance to see you give a
talk I am quite disappointed by the poor timing.  I'll just have
to catch the talk on Google Video.  And shout questions at my wall
to see if you can answer them.

-- 
Shawn.

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[alan]

On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

>>>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> writes:
>
> Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four
> Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code
> Shawn> Mentor Summit.
>
> Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on
> 12 october.  Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)

Are you going to have the same heckler as the Advanced Topics meeting? ]:>

-- 
Never trust a queue structure designed by a cryptographer.

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Paolo Ciarrocchi]

On 10/5/07, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> writes:
>
> Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four
> Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code
> Shawn> Mentor Summit.
>
> Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on
> 12 october.  Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)

Hi Randal,
is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks?

Thanks!

Regards,
-- 
Paolo
http://paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com/
http://ubuntista.blogspot.com

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Ciarrocchi <paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com> writes:

Paolo> is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks?

I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so
hopefully most of it is accurate. :)  They're temporarily at

  http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf

I still hope to have a few hours to go in and add a few sadly missing
graphics, particularly on the rebase vs merge section.

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Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Dmitry Potapov]

Hi Randal,

> I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so
> hopefully most of it is accurate. :)  They're temporarily at
>
>   http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf

I believe I have found one mistake in your slides. Slide 18 reads:
"git-commit -a" is like "git-add .; git-commit"

But it is incorrect, because "git-commit -a" does not add new files, so
it works like "git-add -u .; git-commit".

Dmitry

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[David Brown]

On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 06:41:43PM +0400, Dmitry Potapov wrote:

>I believe I have found one mistake in your slides. Slide 18 reads:
>"git-commit -a" is like "git-add .; git-commit"
>
>But it is incorrect, because "git-commit -a" does not add new files, so
>it works like "git-add -u .; git-commit".

"git-commit -a" also detects files that have been deleted, whereas
"git-add" does not.  In fact, I haven't found an easy way to detect this
other than "git-commit -a", and it is the only reason I ever run
"git-commit -a"

Dave

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Dmitry Potapov]

> >I believe I have found one mistake in your slides. Slide 18 reads:
> >"git-commit -a" is like "git-add .; git-commit"
> >
> >But it is incorrect, because "git-commit -a" does not add new files, so
> >it works like "git-add -u .; git-commit".
>
> "git-commit -a" also detects files that have been deleted, whereas
> "git-add" does not.

I just tried "git-add -u ." and it *does* detect deleted files.

$ git-status
# On branch master
nothing to commit (working directory clean)
$ rm oldfile
$ git-status
# On branch master
# Changed but not updated:
#   (use "git add/rm <file>..." to update what will be committed)
#
#       deleted:    oldfile
#
no changes added to commit (use "git add" and/or "git commit -a")
$ git-add -u .
$ git-status
# On branch master
# Changes to be committed:
#   (use "git reset HEAD <file>..." to unstage)
#
#       deleted:    oldfile
#
$ git-commit
Created commit 17e2bba: delete
 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
 delete mode 100644 oldfile

So, it works exactly as "git-commit -a" in this case.

Dmitry

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Jeff King]

On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 09:19:02PM +0400, Dmitry Potapov wrote:

> > "git-commit -a" also detects files that have been deleted, whereas
> > "git-add" does not.
> I just tried "git-add -u ." and it *does* detect deleted files.

IIRC, this was a fix by Junio recently, but I can't seem to find the
commit.

-Peff

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Shawn O. Pearce]

"Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn@stonehenge.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Ciarrocchi <paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> Paolo> is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks?
> 
> I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so
> hopefully most of it is accurate. :)  They're temporarily at
> 
>   http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf
> 
> I still hope to have a few hours to go in and add a few sadly missing
> graphics, particularly on the rebase vs merge section.

What, no mention of git-gui as a porcelain?  It has more users
than qgit according to the survey.  Maybe rephrase the porcelains
on slide 15 as:

  Other porcelain exists:
    - StGit ("stacked git"), guilt
    - tig (curses-based viewer)
    - qgit, git-gui

On slide 26 you say "gitk mytopic origin" shows the changes back to
the common ancestor.  That's what "gitk mytopic...origin" would do.
Note the three dots instead of the space.  The space will cause
gitk to show all history back to the beginning of time.

On slide 27 you say that you can rebase your changes on upstream
using "git-rebase origin/master master".  That's a lot more
typing than is required, most people will want to rebase their
current branch onto the upstream and thus will use "git-rebase
origin/master".  Personally I think combining git-checkout's branch
switch feature into git-rebase is stupid.  It really makes things
confusing.  But its supported.  :-(

-- 
Shawn.

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Daniel Barkalow]

On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:

> "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn@stonehenge.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Ciarrocchi <paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> > Paolo> is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks?
> > 
> > I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so
> > hopefully most of it is accurate. :)  They're temporarily at
> > 
> >   http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf
> > 
> > I still hope to have a few hours to go in and add a few sadly missing
> > graphics, particularly on the rebase vs merge section.
> 
> What, no mention of git-gui as a porcelain?  It has more users
> than qgit according to the survey.  Maybe rephrase the porcelains
> on slide 15 as:
> 
>   Other porcelain exists:
>     - StGit ("stacked git"), guilt
>     - tig (curses-based viewer)
>     - qgit, git-gui

For that matter, gitweb is essentially a limited porcelain. And this 
points out that all VCSes have alternative porcelains, but git is unusual 
in having convenient plumbing to support and encourage this.

	-Daniel
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Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Johannes Schindelin]

Hi,

On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Daniel Barkalow wrote:

> For that matter, gitweb is essentially a limited porcelain. And this 
> points out that all VCSes have alternative porcelains, but git is 
> unusual in having convenient plumbing to support and encourage this.

I do not consider viewers "porcelain".  And gitweb is essentially just a 
viewer.

Ciao,
Dscho

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Shawn O. Pearce]

Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Daniel Barkalow wrote:
> 
> > For that matter, gitweb is essentially a limited porcelain. And this 
> > points out that all VCSes have alternative porcelains, but git is 
> > unusual in having convenient plumbing to support and encourage this.
> 
> I do not consider viewers "porcelain".  And gitweb is essentially just a 
> viewer.

So you don't consider gitk to be porcelain?  I do.  The plumbing
output of git-rev-list is uh, ugly.  gitk may still not be the best
looking application on the internet but it sure beats looking at
rev-list output by eye.

Porcelain is really anything that calls plumbing to make the task
of invoking or processing the output of plumbing easier on the
human using it.  That's it.  Obviously you can work Git by just the
plumbing.  Just like you can compute SHA-1 by hand.  You just choose
not to as the time it would take is more than you want to invest.
Or have left in this mortal existance...

I almost always forget about the web interfaces.  There's a number
of them and I don't use them often enough to really think about it.
I don't know why I always forget about them.  I never forget about
StGit or qgit, and yet I never use those either...

-- 
Shawn.

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> writes:

Shawn> What, no mention of git-gui as a porcelain?  It has more users
Shawn> than qgit according to the survey.  Maybe rephrase the porcelains
Shawn> on slide 15 as:

Shawn>   Other porcelain exists:
Shawn>     - StGit ("stacked git"), guilt
Shawn>     - tig (curses-based viewer)
Shawn>     - qgit, git-gui

git-gui should have been mentioned with "the git distro".  Fixed.

Shawn> On slide 26 you say "gitk mytopic origin" shows the changes back to
Shawn> the common ancestor.  That's what "gitk mytopic...origin" would do.
Shawn> Note the three dots instead of the space.  The space will cause
Shawn> gitk to show all history back to the beginning of time.

Darned inconsistency!  Sometimes, it's a space.  Sometimes it's two dots.
Sometimes, it's three dots.  I know, there's reasons for that, but it's still
hard for the newbie.

-- 
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Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Mike Hommey]

On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:27:05PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
> >>>>> "Shawn" == Shawn O Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> writes:
> 
> Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four
> Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code
> Shawn> Mentor Summit.
> 
> Oddly enough, I'm giving my "Intro to Git" talk at Google HQ on
> 12 october.  Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)

Not that it's hard to find, but just for the record, Randal's talk can
be viewed on http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1251251453592758541

Mike

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Johannes Schindelin]

Hi,

On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:

> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four days as 
> we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code Mentor Summit.

While at it, we thought that we'd have a little git-together on Sunday, a 
few hours before we're (or at least I'm) sober again from Saturday night.  
So everybody who is in the area of San Jose: Sunday is Talk Like A Git 
Day.

Sadly, Junio is not able to attend, but I will hoist a drink or three to 
him.

Ciao,
Dscho

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Steven Grimm]

Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> While at it, we thought that we'd have a little git-together on Sunday, a 
> few hours before we're (or at least I'm) sober again from Saturday night.  
> So everybody who is in the area of San Jose: Sunday is Talk Like A Git 
> Day.
>   

Here are the details for anyone who can show up:

Time: 12 noon
Place: Gordon Biersch Brewery, 640 Emerson St., Palo Alto
Web: 
http://www.gordonbiersch.com/restaurants/index.php?pg=location&sub=loc&location_id=15
Facebook event page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=5037248613 
(obviously not required, but it might give other people some idea who to 
expect)

Hope to see some folks there!

-Steve

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Frank Lichtenheld]

On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps
> someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio
> has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online?

While I have neither the time nor the abilities to do this I
will at least accumulate the various cvsserver patches floating
around the last few days so that I can submit them to Junio in one
batch.

Gruesse,
-- 
Frank Lichtenheld <frank@lichtenheld.de>
www: http://www.djpig.de/

Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Pierre Habouzit]

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On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 03:13:55PM +0000, Frank Lichtenheld wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> > With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps
> > someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio
> > has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online?
> 
> While I have neither the time nor the abilities to do this I
> will at least accumulate the various cvsserver patches floating
> around the last few days so that I can submit them to Junio in one
> batch.

  I won't have the time either, though even if I keep posting patches on
the list, I'll resubmit a digest of mines when Junio will be back
online. (or share a public git repository so that he can directly fetch
from there).

-- 
·O·  Pierre Habouzit
··O                                                madcoder@debian.org
OOO                                                http://www.madism.org

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Re: Many gits are offline this week

[Lars Hjemli]

On 10/5/07, Shawn O. Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> wrote:
> With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps
> someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio
> has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online?

I'll collect patches from the list for a few days and put them into
topic-branches on git://hjemli.net/pub/git/git.

--
larsh