From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Shawn O. Pearce" Subject: Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:44:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20071014014445.GN27899@spearce.org> References: <8fe92b430710081355i7d3dbaa2q9a8939b55d7ca7dc@mail.gmail.com> <8fe92b430710121508g13917080mac156250abfccf20@mail.gmail.com> <853awepyz6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20071013202713.GA2467@fieldses.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cc: Johannes Schindelin , "J. Bruce Fields" , Jakub Narebski , git@vger.kernel.org To: Linus Torvalds X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Sun Oct 14 03:45:04 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IgsXQ-0001fB-9Q for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:45:04 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753975AbXJNBox (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:44:53 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753876AbXJNBow (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:44:52 -0400 Received: from corvette.plexpod.net ([64.38.20.226]:33968 "EHLO corvette.plexpod.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753867AbXJNBow (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:44:52 -0400 Received: from [74.70.48.173] (helo=asimov.home.spearce.org) by corvette.plexpod.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IgsWy-00032Z-DU; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:44:36 -0400 Received: by asimov.home.spearce.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EECFA20FBAE; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.plexpod.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - vger.kernel.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - spearce.org Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > > My main point is -- and always was -- that I'd like people to realise how > > much it depends on _them_ if (and when) their wishes come true. > > Dscho, that's just not fair. ... > Complain about it when somebody asks for something *stupid*. Explain why > it would be wrong to do something like that. But don't complain about > people having wish-lists, even if those people may not work on them. > > Not everybody is a "doer". It's important to get input from people who are > just plain users, or hope to be. I agree with both of you. My understanding of Dscho's original comment was that people weren't saying *what* specifically their wish-list was, which means we have no hope as a community of meeting their requests. Carl and Andy both had submitted a long list of very specific issues that they had with Git. The result of those lists being posted was a number of people contributed improvements that lead us to 1.5. Nobody can argue with that. But just saying "MY GOD FIX THE UI" is not a wishlist item (yes, that was a real survey answer). It provides the community no chance to understand what parts of the UI we need to work on, and what parts the end-user is OK with or just hasn't even tried to use. -- Shawn.