From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Shawn O. Pearce" Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] ugit: a pyqt-based git gui // was: Re: If you would write git from scratch now, what would you change? Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:23:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20071212052329.GR14735@spearce.org> References: <402731c90712110548k67f28b64w5afa93ee908ce73b@mail.gmail.com> <31e9dd080712111114t2bbdba60m18b7d6210f3f9174@mail.gmail.com> <402731c90712111254q1cb99c6al47538971d93b4592@mail.gmail.com> <31e9dd080712111329j2c8b22ebs38ab727a5fbe85fb@mail.gmail.com> <20071212041002.GN14735@spearce.org> <31e9dd080712112113u44b30c62ja012951fba958c5d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cc: David , Marco Costalba , Andy Parkins , git@vger.kernel.org To: Jason Sewall X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Wed Dec 12 06:24:22 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J2K50-0006RA-25 for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:24:22 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752497AbXLLFXe (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:23:34 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752496AbXLLFXe (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:23:34 -0500 Received: from corvette.plexpod.net ([64.38.20.226]:43947 "EHLO corvette.plexpod.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751312AbXLLFXd (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:23:33 -0500 Received: from cpe-74-70-48-173.nycap.res.rr.com ([74.70.48.173] helo=asimov.home.spearce.org) by corvette.plexpod.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J2K4B-0007Za-Ka; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:23:31 -0500 Received: by asimov.home.spearce.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B691F20FBAE; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:23:29 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <31e9dd080712112113u44b30c62ja012951fba958c5d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.plexpod.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - vger.kernel.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - spearce.org Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Jason Sewall wrote: > I don't know much about graphical toolkits and the like, but I think > that the more modern ones have fancy features like antialiasing and > subpixel rendering, which makes a big difference when you're working > on a laptop with a tiny screen. Oh, that's a good point. On my Mac OS X system with the aqua port of Tk the fonts render just as good as anything else on this box. I guess the Aqua port of Tk is just better than the X11 port of Tk is. :) > Take a look for yourself: > http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/492/comparejd6.png > > They are obviously using different fonts there (because I can't figure > out what font ugit is using) but there is a difference in rendering > quality to be sure. Be nice to know what ugit is using, or really how its guessing the default font. I wonder what font you are using with your git-gui. The default Tk picks on X11 is basically crap, but git-gui goes with your system default as its own default. > The qt stuff fits better with the rest of my system better too (even > though I'm using gnome) - it's entirely the result of Tk being > lightweight and a million years old, when UI conventions were > different (like every menu being detachable, and antique scrollbars). > I'm not here to start a toolkit flame war (we had a toolkit dogpile on > the list last week, I think) I'm just pointing out that Tk is from a > different era. Yes. The tile extension in 8.5 should actually improve this quite a bit; as I understand it there is a GTK backend for Tk with that set of extensions, making the UI look more modern on X11, assuming GTK was available when Tk was compiled, etc... I have yet to make git-gui use the tile extension. Its however planned to happen in the near-ish future. > I use git-gui and gitk for my git graphical needs because they rock > and at the end of the day, the fonts and antialiasing aren't that big > of a deal, especially since I'm usually doing quick scans and searches > over the information those tools display, not reading novels in them. Good points. Features win over pretty most of the time. But at some point pretty is important; especially to new user adoption. Plus if you are looking at it all day long it shouldn't be jarring to the eyes. But git-gui still isn't even where I want it ot be feature-wise. E.g. I'd *love* to teach it inotify support, so you don't even need to have that Rescan button. -- Shawn.