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From: linux@horizon.com
To: git@vger.kernel.org, jnareb@gmail.com
Cc: linux@horizon.com
Subject: Re: Adding Git to Better SCM Initiative : Comparison
Date: 13 Jan 2008 10:05:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080113150541.21883.qmail@science.horizon.com> (raw)

> What does "Renames Support" mean? Does it mean that when browsing history
> we [can] show file / directory renames? Does it mean that log of file or
> directory history [can] follow renames? Does it mean that line-wise file
> history [can] follow renames? Renames support in merges is as TODO, so
> I don't think that this one matters in this question. Because the answer,
> especially in the case of git which is a bit different in that it does
> rename detection and not rename tracking (using inodes / file-ids),
> depends on that...

Let me make a bolder statement: a person asking for "rename support"
has been mentally damaged by using CVS too much.

CVS's fundamental problem is that it's a tree of versioned files.  So a
file has to have a well-defined identity across versions, so CVS uses
the name, and that leads to problems if you rename the file.

And this is fundamentally broken.  Both git and subversion do it right:
a repository is a versioned tree of files.  Files don't have versions, but
rather versions have files.  With this model, the problem Just Goes Away.
It doesn't exist any more.  There's nothing to solve, nothing to do.

"Rename support" is a kludge to make a fundamentally broken model
less painful.  Git doesn't have the problem, and so doesn't need,
doesn't have, and doesn't want the kludge.  Indeed, as your questions
above show, it's hard to even define what it would be if it existed.
It's like asking if an electric light has a thoriated mantle, or inquiring
about the filament supply voltage of my mp3 player.

In all honesty, the correct answer is "no", git doesn't have that feature,
just like my laptop doesn't have a cooling water pressure sensor and
my solar-powered pocket calculator doesn't have a user-serviceable
mains fuse.

What's broken is the feature checklist.  Someone has to go and re-think
the issue in a less CVS-centric way.


Just in case I was not clear enough above:

	The need for a source file to have an identity
	that persists across multiple revisions is an
	artifact of CVS's implementation.  Anyone asking
	if a different version control system can preserve
	that identity across renames needs to learn that
	we now have ways of making light without fire.

             reply	other threads:[~2008-01-13 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-13 15:05 linux [this message]
2008-01-13 15:16 ` Adding Git to Better SCM Initiative : Comparison Matthieu Moy
2008-01-13 16:25   ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-13 18:42   ` linux
2008-01-13 19:20     ` linux
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-12-10 12:57 Jakub Narebski
2007-12-10 13:09 ` Eyvind Bernhardsen
2007-12-10 13:20   ` Jakub Narebski
2007-12-10 14:33 ` David Kastrup
2007-12-10 14:49 ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-10 15:23   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-10 15:36     ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-10 15:47   ` Jakub Narebski
2007-12-10 16:28     ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-10 16:38   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-10 16:50   ` Chris Shoemaker
2007-12-10 17:21     ` Jakub Narebski
     [not found] ` <200801071057.27710.shlomif@iglu.org.il>
2008-01-13  0:44   ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-14  0:14     ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-14  0:31       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-14  6:58         ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-14 12:14           ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-28 22:39 Jakub Narebski
2007-11-29  1:48 ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-11-29  7:17   ` Jan Hudec
2007-11-29  2:26 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-29 20:07   ` Alex Riesen
2007-11-30  0:18     ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-30  1:26       ` Johan Herland
2007-11-30  1:53         ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-30  7:16       ` Alex Riesen
2007-11-30 18:34     ` Jan Hudec
2007-12-03 19:57 ` Jakub Narebski

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