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From: Charles Bailey <charles@hashpling.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Johannes Sixt <j.sixt@viscovery.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix random fast-import errors when compiled with NO_MMAP
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:42:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080118084201.GA14763@hashpling.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801172013270.2957@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:27:08PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> >
> > fast-import was relying on the fact that on most systems mmap() and
> > write() are synchronized by the filesystem's buffer cache.  We were
> > relying on the ability to mmap() 20 bytes beyond the current end
> > of the file, then later fill in those bytes with a future write()
> > call, then read them through the previously obtained mmap() address.
> > 
> > This isn't always true with some implementations of NFS, but it is
> > especially not true with our NO_MMAP=YesPlease build time option used
> > on some platforms.
> 
> In fact, even with mmap(), it's not guaranteed. There are really crappy 
> mmap implementations out there, partly due to bad CPU design (virtual CPU 
> caches without coherency), but more often due to total crap OS.
> 
> (Yeah, Linux did count in that area at some point. Long ago. Early 90's. 
> Maybe)
> 
> I think HP-UX used to have non-coherent mmap for the longest time, due to 
> carrying around some totally crap memory management based on some ancient 
> BSD version that everybody else (including the BSD's) had long since 
> jettisoned.
> 
> That said, I suspect any unix you can run today (without calling it a 
> retro setup) probably has coherent-enough mmap. The possible virtual cache 
> coherency issue is unlikely to be able to trigger this (and not relevant 
> on any sane hardware anyway).
> 
> 				Linus

I've just checked the Mac OS X build and it looks like there is a mmap
and git is indeed using it, so this is obviously an example of a
"really crappy" mmap implementation.

This adds more ammunition to the fight against the whole Mac OS X is
powered/built/based on UNIX myth.

Charles.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-18  8:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-15 23:50 Be more careful about updating refs Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16  0:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 19:52   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-17  9:15     ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-17 10:52       ` Johannes Sixt
2008-01-17 11:01         ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-17 12:41           ` Johannes Sixt
2008-01-17 12:58             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 13:07               ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-18  1:43             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18  2:01               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18  2:13                 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18  2:25                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18  2:33                     ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18  2:58                       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18  3:18                         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18  3:22                           ` Shawn O. Pearce
     [not found]                             ` <20080118035700.GA3458@spearce.org>
2008-01-18  4:27                               ` [PATCH] Fix random fast-import errors when compiled with NO_MMAP Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18  8:42                                 ` Charles Bailey [this message]
2008-01-18 17:08                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-19  3:25                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-19  3:55                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21  3:57                                       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18  6:10                               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-21  4:10                                 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18  7:53                               ` Johannes Sixt
2008-01-18  9:26                               ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-18  9:36                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18  9:45                                   ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-18 10:57                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18  2:30               ` Be more careful about updating refs Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-17 10:56       ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-16  0:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-16  0:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16  1:11 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-23 22:53 ` Sam Vilain

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