From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git annoyances
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:45:04 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080409214504.GA11110@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7vfxtu3fku.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org>
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 02:04:33PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> The introductory documents may need to be updated to teach explicit "git
> pull $repo $branch" form first, and if they are short documents, end in
> introductory phase and leave the remainder to "further reading", they
> should probably be fixed not talk about the shorthand form "git pull
> $nick" and "git pull" without parameters at all. That may help fixing
> this mental-model breakdown.
For me personally, I think this bottom-up approach makes the most sense
to learning (this may look familiar from the commit message to a patch I
sent earlier):
1. here is what "git pull $repo $branch" means
2. here is a way to shorten it to "git pull $repo" (set up remote
$repo)
3. here is a way to shorten it to "git pull" (default to origin)
But I think there are people who will get to the list and say "why
didn't you just tell me 'git pull' in the first place?" That is, the
complaints we have seen in the past reveal _too many_ low level details
too quickly.
Maybe we have stepped too far towards "top down workflow
descriptions" and need to go back. I dunno.
Another way of thinking about it is that we need two sets of
documentation with the same information (heresy, I know!): one bottom-up
and one top-down. I think the manpages tend to be "bottom up"
references. Bruce's user manual is more "top down" describing workflows.
I wonder which one(s) Ingo read, and which helped the most.
-Peff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-09 21:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-09 10:14 git annoyances Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 10:41 ` Björn Steinbrink
2008-04-09 14:57 ` Jeff King
2008-04-09 15:15 ` [PATCH] git-remote: show all remotes with "git remote show" Jeff King
2008-04-09 16:54 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-10 10:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-09 20:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 19:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 17:08 ` git annoyances Avery Pennarun
2008-04-10 8:41 ` Karl Hasselström
2008-04-10 15:05 ` Avery Pennarun
2008-04-11 7:00 ` Karl Hasselström
2008-04-09 20:08 ` Friendly refspecs (Was: Re: git annoyances) Teemu Likonen
2008-04-09 20:32 ` Avery Pennarun
2008-04-09 20:34 ` Jeff King
2008-04-09 22:25 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-09 22:51 ` Jeff King
2008-04-10 0:03 ` Jeff King
2008-04-10 0:11 ` Jeff King
2008-04-10 7:51 ` Friendly refspecs Junio C Hamano
2008-04-10 8:03 ` Jeff King
[not found] ` <bd6139dc0804091616k53f4e0c1sf75aa9585c5a54c5@mail.gmail.com>
2008-04-10 0:33 ` Friendly refspecs (Was: Re: git annoyances) Jeff King
2008-04-10 7:58 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-13 9:31 ` Friendly refspecs Teemu Likonen
2008-04-13 9:34 ` [PATCH] Add examples section to 'git fetch' manual Teemu Likonen
2008-04-13 18:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-13 19:48 ` Matt Graham
2008-04-13 20:05 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-14 1:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-16 3:48 ` Friendly refspecs Jeff King
2008-04-16 4:25 ` Jeff King
2008-04-16 4:41 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-16 4:47 ` Jeff King
2008-04-16 15:42 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-16 20:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-22 10:56 ` Jeff King
2008-04-22 16:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-22 17:19 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-22 20:12 ` Jeff King
2008-04-22 20:05 ` Jeff King
2008-04-22 20:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-22 21:52 ` Jeff King
2008-04-23 4:24 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-23 5:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-23 6:24 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-23 9:16 ` Jeff King
2008-04-23 9:21 ` Jeff King
2008-04-23 11:15 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-09 21:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-10 7:38 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-12 18:59 ` git annoyances Santiago Gala
2008-04-09 19:21 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-09 20:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 14:08 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-09 21:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-09 21:39 ` Jon Loeliger
2008-04-09 23:45 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-04-09 21:45 ` Jeff King [this message]
2008-04-09 23:56 ` André Goddard Rosa
2008-04-10 19:45 ` Govind Salinas
2008-04-10 6:08 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2008-04-10 8:19 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-10 11:47 ` git-bisect annoyances Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 5:41 ` Christian Couder
2008-04-11 11:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-12 6:56 ` Christian Couder
2008-04-11 5:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-10 23:25 ` [PATCH] When a remote is added but not fetched, tell the user Gabriel
2008-04-11 15:21 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-11 18:35 ` Gabriel
2008-04-11 18:39 ` [PATCH] Default to fetching a remote after adding it Gabriel
2008-04-11 19:17 ` Stephen Sinclair
2008-04-12 14:33 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-12 15:13 ` Gabriel
2008-04-12 15:24 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-11 19:08 ` [PATCH] When a remote is added but not fetched, tell the user Teemu Likonen
2008-04-11 21:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-11 22:35 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-11 23:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-11 23:20 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-15 3:15 ` Miles Bader
2008-04-11 19:29 ` [PATCH] Default to fetching a remote after adding it Gabriel
2008-04-11 19:36 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-04-11 19:46 ` Gabriel
2008-04-11 10:15 ` git annoyances Luciano Rocha
2008-04-11 10:27 ` Wincent Colaiuta
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