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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	david@lang.hm, Stephen Clark <sclark46@earthlink.net>,
	Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jesper.juhl@gmail.com, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, jeff@garzik.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:24:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080413232441.e216a02c.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080414053943.GU9785@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:39:43 +0100 Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 06:39:39AM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > I'm sure many people would find this useless (or in fact reject the
> > idea because it would show that most code will be rated 1 or 2),
> > but I really think it can help subsystem maintainers make the relation
> > between a reported bug and a possible submitter.
> 
> I have a related proposal: let us require all patches to be stamped
> with Discordian *and* Eternal September dates.  In triplicate.  While
> we are at it, why don't we introduce new mandatory headers like, say
> it,
> 
> X-checkpatch: {Yes,No}
> X-checkpatch-why-not: <string>
> X-pointless: <number from 1 to 69, going from "1: does something useful" all
> the way to "68: aligns right ends of lines in comments">
> X-arbitrary-rules-added-to-CodingStyle: <number> (should be present if
> and only if X-pointless: 69 is present).
> 
> Come to think of that, we clearly need a new file in Documentation/*,
> documenting such headers.  Why don't we organize a subcommittee^Wnew maillist
> devoted to that?  That would provide another entry route for contributors,
> lowering the overall entry barriers even further...
> 

None of the above was particularly useful.

> 
> Seriously, looks like Andi is right - we've got ourselves a developing
> beaurocracy.  As in "more and more ways of generating activity without
> doing anything even remotely useful".  Complete with tendency to operate in
> the ways that make sense only to beaurocracy in question and an ever-growing
> set of bylaws...

No.  The problem we're discussing here is the apparently-large number of
bugs which are in the kernel, the apparently-large number of new bugs which
we're adding to the kernel, and our apparent tardiness in addressing them.

Do you agree with these impressions, or not?

If you do agree, what would you propose we do about it?

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-14  6:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20080413121831.d89dd424.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]   ` <20080413202118.GA29658@2ka.mipt.ru>
     [not found]     ` <200804132233.50491.rjw@sisk.pl>
     [not found]       ` <20080413205406.GA9190@2ka.mipt.ru>
     [not found]         ` <48028830.6020703@earthlink.net>
2008-04-13 23:51           ` Reporting bugs and bisection david
2008-04-14  0:36             ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14  4:39             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14  5:39               ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  6:24                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-04-14  6:39                   ` David Miller
2008-04-14  6:43                     ` David Miller
2008-04-14  7:23                   ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  7:43                     ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  8:04                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:30                       ` David Miller
2008-04-14  9:06                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14  9:46                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15  5:25                           ` Bill Fink
2008-04-14 10:15                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41                           ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35                             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30                           ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54                     ` James Morris
2008-04-14 22:01                       ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15  4:55                           ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18                             ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15  9:33                       ` David Newall
2008-04-15  9:54                         ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04                           ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16  2:34                               ` David Newall
2008-04-16  3:53                                 ` david
2008-04-16  9:06                                   ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41                                   ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16  4:29                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15                         ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43                               ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39                             ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:53                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05                                   ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:04                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55                               ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17                           ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04                             ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35                                 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57                                   ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-17 20:16                                   ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38                                     ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53                                       ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01                                         ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13                   ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18                       ` Rene Herman

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