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From: David Brown <git@davidb.org>
To: Geoffrey Irving <irving@naml.us>
Cc: Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>, Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se>,
	Dmitry Potapov <dpotapov@gmail.com>,
	Henrik Austad <henrikau@orakel.ntnu.no>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: About git and the use of SHA-1
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:47:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080430054700.GA1345@old.davidb.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7f9d599f0804292218x7d94d7del20d4d48bbad80fb5@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:18:55PM -0700, Geoffrey Irving wrote:

>>  PS is Turing complete, and does know about dates. So yes, you can make
>>  such conditionals.
>
>I knew postscript was Turing complete, but had (naively) assumed it
>executed sandboxed and deterministically and would therefore display
>uniformly barring interpreter bugs.  Looking over the spec, I can't
>find where it's possible to read the current date, but the
>usertime/realtime variables are sufficient as long as the attacker
>knows how fast the relevant machines are.

usertime and realtime are from the start of the invocation of the
postscript interpreter, not based on the outside world.  So, the
interpreter could wait arbitrarily long, but has no way of knowing any
external reference to time.

I could imagine trickery with PDF signatures and their expiration times,
but you shouldn't be able to do anything with the information, so it would
be an exploit, and would probably be fixed.

David

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-30  5:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-28 16:29 About git and the use of SHA-1 Henrik Austad
2008-04-28 19:34 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-28 21:29   ` Henrik Austad
2008-04-28 22:15     ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-29  6:38     ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-29  7:09       ` Russ Dill
2008-04-29  7:21         ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-29 11:05           ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-29 12:27             ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-29 13:05               ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-04-29 14:37                 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-29 14:52                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-04-29 16:24                   ` Russ Dill
2008-04-29 12:46         ` Jurko Gospodnetić
2008-04-29 16:21           ` Russ Dill
2008-04-29 15:34   ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 16:27     ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-29 12:41 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-04-29 14:41   ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-29 15:42     ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-04-29 15:59       ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 16:39         ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-04-29 17:48           ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 17:55             ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-04-29 18:02               ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 18:41                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-29 20:31                   ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 20:50                     ` Fredrik Skolmli
2008-04-29 21:39                       ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 21:52                         ` Fredrik Skolmli
2008-04-30  2:58                     ` Martin Langhoff
2008-04-30  5:18                       ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-30  5:47                         ` David Brown [this message]
2008-04-30  5:56                           ` Martin Langhoff
2008-04-29 18:17         ` Matthieu Moy
2008-04-29 18:23           ` Fredrik Skolmli
2008-04-29 15:02 ` Tom Widmer
2008-04-29 17:08 ` Tom Widmer

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